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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    At this point we absolutely should protect the minority from taking an unnecessary shot. We have not followed science or medicine with these shots from the beginning. It has been evil and sick to watch. It has been the antithesis of medicine and science. But they do have a small minority like yourself controlled by the propaganda. You do not need a booster. But if you must take a booster designed for a variant that is almost extinct and tested on 20 mice. Go for it. Just please don’t give it to your kids and grandkids.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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  3. AzCatFan

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    The majority of vaccines are given to kids under 5. And before every one, the doctor or nurse is going to tell the parents the kid might have some mild side effects life fatigue, or light fever.

    Same goes for vaccines that are given to adults. Shingrix is given to adults 50 and older. 1 in 6 get fatigue, muscle pain, fever, or nausea. Not shocking, the flu vaccine lists the exact same side effects! So does the MMR vaccine, but again, both doses are given to kids under 4, and also comes with the potential of swelling.

    The biggest difference Bryan these and the COVID vaccine? Quantity. 5.5 billion COVID jabs. Never going to have that many for Shingrix, because not that many people are 50 and older. Same for MMR, but under 5. And the flu vaccine? Usually had less than 50% vaccinated. But if we had similar flu shot rates to COVID, we would see similar missed work days 2-3 days post jab.

    In short, you are full of bull crap. Every single vaccine comes with the potential of the side effects of what you experience when your immune system is triggered. Because 100% of vaccines are designed to do just that, trigger your immune system.
     
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  4. PITBOSS

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    Do any non anti-vax, non conspiracy types still come in here? Anyone that bases their info on the medical community, stats and science instead of political pundits?
    If so - question: what are your thoughts on latest Covid vax?
     
  5. QGator2414

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    No. This technology has shown it is not safe and effective for an inflammatory virus. Especially one that appears to cause endothelial inflammation. If you want to continue and add unnecessary inflammation. Go for it. Just please don’t do it to your kids and grandkids.
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    It is monovalent design for the omicron variant that is now less than 4% of cases and almost extinct.

    When 72 year old Paul Offit finally says it is unnecessary and not taking it. The vax regardless of risk people can finally realize they don’t need it.
     
  7. l_boy

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    Cdc recommends it for everybody over 5. Dr Paul Offit, a highly credible vaccine source, perhaps the most credible source, recommends it for all people over 75 and otherwise anyone who has a compromising health issue, but doesn’t think it is necessary for healthy people under 75, assuming you had been fully vaxed and boosted in the past and/or had the disease.

    I am 60, reasonably healthy and will probably get it eventually but waiting a bit because I had the disease in July. Not sure what I am going to do with 19 year old son who also had it in July.

    I will recommend my 90 year old parents get it this fall. They finally got it the first time around May.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    Every single vaccine has the same potential for 2 - 3 days of feeling "icky" side effects. That's not a safety signal. That's normal, and shows the vaccine has successfully triggered an immune response. Take that away, and what safety signals are left? What are the percentages? How many serious cases? Hospitalizations? Deaths. 5.5 Binion jabs. You should have plenty of numbers to back up your claim the vaccine isn't safe.

    Last, if the vaccine isn't safe, why do 99% of pediatricians recommend it in Ontario, CA? All major pediatric groups in major US cities too? And just about every other major medical and Healthcare group?
     
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  9. ncargat1

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    Since it is clear you have no clue on earth how vaccines work, you would think you would stop posting your ignorance. Yet, every time I come back here, you proudly put it back on display.

    If you understood what Paul Offit is saying, you would really stop posting.
     
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  10. QGator2414

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    No vaccine has made millions of people miss work along with millions complain of flu like symptoms like this shot.

    If you want to cause unnecessary inflammation for a disease that is of no real risk by taking a drug that is archaic for the variants out there. Go for it.

    Just please don’t give it to your kids and grandkids.
     
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  11. QGator2414

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    I can understand exactly what Offit is saying. And it is to not follow the guidance from the cdc and fda right now.
     
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    Floss your teeth to avoid Covid!

    You read it here first, folks, on the epicenter of false Covid information.
     
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  13. mutz87

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    Yes, omicron, but the xbb.1.5 subvariant, which is currently the most dominant strain.

    We went over this already but Offit has recently argued that young and healthy don't need another covid vaccine--that is, they don't additional boosters. He's not taking it but he's already gotten three shots. You and the rest of the anti-vax crowd have seized on his words but this effort is dishonest and ignorant of his stance on vaccines and of science.

    I don't believe your intent is to be dishonest, but at the very least, you're suffering from some severe cognitive dissonance and it is compelling you to cling even hard to really bad ideas.
     
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  14. HeyItsMe

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    It really comes down to the fact that Covid ruined Q’s DC trip with his kid and he’s an overall selfish person who didn’t like being inconvenienced during the pandemic so he will always hold a vendetta against it no matter the stats or logic you bring to the table, lol.
     
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  15. QGator2414

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    Nonsense. XBB.1.5 is almost extinct. EG.5 is the most dominant variant right now followed by a few others. XBB.1.5 was dominant back in January. It has basically run its course.

    What COVID-19 variants are going around in September 2023?
     
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  16. mutz87

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    Yup, eg.5. Still an omicron subvariant.Funny you cite an organization that urges people to get vaccinated.

    Anyway, you're still way wrong about Offit and about vaccines, science, and public health in general.
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    Variant ? Varies from what ?

    Variants are essentially sequencing errors. It’s a way to extend mass-mental illness into a fourth year.
     
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    Fact Check: True …

    “It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
    - Thomas Sowell -
     
  19. QGator2414

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    Pure ignorance. Though the reason my daughter was not able to go to DC is at the heart of how the idiots in public health did not follow science. Requiring a group at little to no risk take an unnecessary shot. It was evil!
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    No vaccine has given over 5 billion jabs the last 5 years. Let alone 5.5 billion in about 2 plus years. There are less than 200 million flu shots given a year. If that number reached 3 billion, we'd see a lot more people feeling bad for two to three days after. 15% get a fever after a flu shot. But again, there were about 30X more COVID shots than flu shots.

    I'd say be better. But that's not possible. Your lack of vaccine understanding is dangerous. Every shot comes with the risk of fever, fatigue, and other symptoms. To think the COVID vaccine is different shows your complete ignorance.
     
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