Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Assuming you mean GBD?

And I agree with you. At the same time no one was going to be 100% right. I actually think the GBD was really close to nailing how to handle it. The problem is the shot created was the wrong technology, rushed, we have never found a shot to fight an coronavirus, and we forced it on an entire population.

We would have saved millions if we focused on treatments and slowly working to on ways to help in the future while letting people know who was at risk so they could make decisions accordingly.

 

The GBD was a disaster. They failed to answer the most important question. How can a society with around 50% of the people with at least one comorbidity successfully protect those people from infection. I've asked before, what do you do with kids living with a single parent with diabetes? Or how about kids who caregivers are their 60-year old grandparents?

Of course, nobody ever really got around to asking the GBD doctors how, because everyone saw what happened when a country, the United Kingdom, followed the basics of the GBD. The UK reversed course very quickly after 6 weeks, and in studying the decision to try and reach herd immunity, public health officials in the UK called the policy, "The worst public health failure ever."

If only the MPs in the UK had talked to our man Q. Q would have set them straight and told them they didn't understand science, public health, and all the data that showed just how big a disaster the policy was didn't mean a thing, because......SAFETY SIGNALS!!!!

 

Maybe if they made a better argument from data, w/a detailed strategy on how to implement focused protection they would been successful in convincing the rest of the experts & govt officials that their strategy was the better one?

Let's not treat the GBD as if it is fact and guaranteed to work, or that it was only GBD authors who "understood the data." This would be mistaking your belief for fact, ntm wrong for other reasons that I can address at another time.

Interesting thing, there are two *cases* in which we might be able to glean some insight about focused protection:

Sweden & Nursing Homes in the US

Sweden largely kept things open early on, focusing protection on the most vulnerable. But then Sweden's chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, admitted his strategy wasn't working and altered it by June 2020.

Many US nursing homes, which were the worst hit, especially in the first waves of the pandemic, locked down (which in this case would be a form of focused protection given the nature of nursing homes). Yet nursing homes comprised nearly a third of all covid deaths. Nursing homes that didn't lock down had similar death rates.

[Edit] A third example would be @AzCatFan 's from the UK.

Of course there was a complex of issues at play, ntm hindsight bias that can distort current views, but the above examples don't provide evidentiary support that focused protection would have been viable on a national scale or that it would have led to considerably fewer deaths and harm compared to lockdowns. Same time, this points to just how complex, challenging, and brutal the nature of the covid beast was when spreading at pandemic rates, and anyone treating any strategy as the ideal solution is a fool for not appreciating just how massive a challenge the world faced.

 

Public health was horrified at the GMD recommendations. So it killed the frail elderly through neglect and abandonment. Pure evil.

 

It is not hindsight or bias. The idiots that pushed lockdowns and a one size fits all approach ignored the data about who was at risk and caused generational harm by implementing a policy that was never considered as a good idea. The worst thing you can do in medicine is to do something just to do something. That is how you kill people. And that is what we did. Lockdown. Wear a mask. Stand six feet apart. Ventilators. Etc. Worse is we knew enough about previous coronaviruses and knew the data with this one when it came to who was at risk. The propaganda scared the mess out people. Most see reality now. Some still want to defend the indefensible. And some still are believe the lies.

People should be in jail for this. Unfortunately they will be spared what they deserve.

 

“People should be in jail for this.”

I agree. Unfortunately, the people who f***ed us all are not the people we can expect to hold to account.

At best, they get kicked upstairs. Ex: Mandy Cohen wrecked innumerable lives in NC. So they made her the new CDC director.

 

No one is truly immune from the threats of various biases affecting their thinking, including hindsight bias.

That's been your argument but let me ask, what data were ignored and what evidence is there that the GBD recs or any other approach would have been superior?

If we were invaded by a foreign enemy, would it be the worst to fight back just to fight back?

...and would it be even be fighting back just to fight back?

We certainly know about other corona viruses, but not all corona viruses are the same and behave the same and thus affect humans the same. If they did, there would be no reason to study a novel corona virus.

Agree. A lot of unnecessary covid death & injury victims directly caused by the cheese sliding off the rightwing cracker.

Who is this "most?"

 

Regarding the crimes against humanity that was the reaction to fake virus, the excuse I despise the most …

“We couldn’t have known.”

 

We knew from the very beginning who was at risk. Which is why the GBD was correct. They knew the narrative being pushed was a lie. Young healthy people were never at risk from this disease and they knew this from the data from the very beginning. It is evil and disgusting that these idiots ignored this.

Some I think were ignorant. Others it was criminal in my book.

The damage done by public health will be felt for generations. Vaccinations are now down for things they should not be down for. Mental health is going to be generational. And at best the shot caused unnecessary damage to young people who did not need it. At worse we have caused SMI in millions of people. I fear it is the latter…

 

This! It is pure BS!

 

We agree on one thing...the topic of vaccines has clearly caused a lot of mental illness.

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Nothing to add again so you decide to be an @$$.

It really is sad.

 

Scientists make major breakthrough that could stop Covid forever (msn.com)

Antibodies that can neutralise virtually all known Covid variants have been discovered by scientists, offering hope of preventing future coronavirus outbreaks.

The antibodies were initially isolated from the blood of a recovered SARS patient who went on to receive a Covid-19 vaccine. Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore, which led the research, said in a statement: ‘This unique combination of prior coronavirus infection and vaccination generated an extremely broad and powerful antibody response capable of stopping nearly all related coronaviruses tested.’

Six antibodies were obtained that could neutralise multiple coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2 – Covid-19 – its variants Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Omicron, the original SARS virus, and multiple other animal coronaviruses transmitted from bats and pangolins.

The most powerful antibody, named E7, functions by targeting a particular weakness in the virus’s spike protein, which it uses to invade cells. The antibody appeared to ‘lock’ the spike in an inactive conformation and block the shape-shifting process the virus requires to infect cells and cause illness.

 

That’s potentially great news, but if this is antibody driven, antibodies typically have limited duration in the body so I’m not sure how it stops Covid forever.

 

^ No such thing as specific antibodies.

 

And more importantly, if combined with diet and exercise, can help you lose weight

 

What evidence is there that "GBD" was correct?

The GBD provided no roadmap in how their *strategy* would work, but their central tenet was an ill-considered let all the alleged low-risk normally, no restrictions. So no, not correct. It was a declaration for even more death.

 

Vaccines evidently helping people to lose LOTS of weight.

 

The superior approach would have been to have done nothing.

 

They followed what we know about upper respiratory viruses. Instead we caused generational damage. Mental health. Vaccine hesitancy for good drugs. Lost trust in medicine due to idiots in public health who were not trained medical doctors (some were but most were not).

It was an abject disaster what we did with covid!