Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

It’s also silly their desperation to blame this on democrats and blue states as if we were some extreme outlier when compared to the rest of the civilized world. Is Germany run by the Democratic Party too? It’s just laughable.

 

Yes we did. LOL at the "settled science". It's why Europe had most of their schools open far quicker than the US(except some R States).

 

LOL. They KNEW schools weren't vectors of spread in May of 2020. It's ok to admit we got it wrong, especially dem states. You look foolish going down this road. The Germans admitted it. We won't because we are too partisan. Crazy. The rest is you just rambling.

 

Just admit it was wrong and move on. Damn some people will die on that hill forever. Funny to keep pointing out though.

 

I'm crazy says the guy who can't make a point without starting every post with "LOL" and thinks we definitively knew everything about a new pathogen only months into the pandemic. I can only hope that whatever you do in the real world you aren't responsible for making important decisions that rely on evaluating multiple sources of conflicting information.

 

You really think the US did a good job with regard to schools being closed? Nothing else to do but laugh at that take. It's ok, admit school closures were wrong and move on. I do love watching you and others digging in your heels and defending the indefensible.

 

Now that's a different question. If the question is whether Weingarten wanted to keep schools closed I say that's not accurate.

If the question is whether we could have done better the answer is absolutely, but you have to break that down into how we handled it at the time based on the available information and how we could have done things differently with the benefit of hindsight.

I don't think the decisions we made at the time were wholly unreasonable and you have to keep in mind that the Presidential administration at the time had thrown out the pandemic response playbook.

That being said, we should always take anything we learn from this to be better prepared for next time, and even so, I can already guarantee you next time the response won't be perfect either because variables will have changed and there will be new unknowns.

To think that the decisions makers had perfect information in May 2020 is, I hate to say it, crazy.

 

Over 25% of US teachers are aged 50 or older. Throw in other comorbidity factors like diabetes, asthma, and others, and you are looking at minimum, 40% of teachers are at higher risk from COVID. The head of the Teachers Union should be advocating to ensure safe work conditions, especially when a large percentage of the work force she represents would potentially be at higher risk if nothing was done, and schools were open with no restrictions.

Hindsight is 20/20, and we can say now for sure, schools were super-spreader areas. But did we know that for sure back in 2020? Heck no. In fact, there was data, from Israel, to suggest schools could be super-spreaders. It's already been mentioned, but classroom style is important. The Israeli school had poor ventilation, much more like classrooms here stateside. In contrast, many European schools are more open, have outdoor areas, and much better ventilation. Put yourself in the summer of 2020, and your school looks a lot like the one studied in the link, and can you be certain of the safety of your teachers and other adults that work at schools?

My district followed the state guidelines. The state put out maps, including school district maps, showing areas of high COVID transmission (red areas) moderate COVID transmission (yellow), and low transmission (green). The guidelines in red areas were to keep schools closed, in yellow, hybrid with half the students going in every other day, the other half online, and green, fully open. This made sense at the time, and for the most part, the schools in my area were open starting Fall 2020, with only 2 weeks closed in red, and 4 weeks in yellow.

Now, did everyone make the correct decisions? Of course not. We can always do better, and learn more as more information becomes available. But in the moment, we can only make the best decision we have with the information we have at that time. The question about schools being safe was not answered in 2020.

 

You think Randi wanted schools open? No she didn't. She used the "I want schools open ONLY after I get hundreds of millions for my union" excuse. It was a money grab. Hell, the Teachers union used their influence to make sure schools didn't open timely. Why does the CDC need the teachers unions telling them what to say? Can't for the life of me think anyone thinks the US did a good job getting kids back in schools.

Powerful teachers union influenced CDC on school reopenings, emails show

 

The Grifter has come along to try to rationalize the closing of schools since he was firmly in favor of closing schools. Too funny.

 

“Hindsight is 20/20”

Just another iteration of the limpid “We couldn’t have known” rationalization.

 

And your answer to a well reasoned post using links to support it is to call me names and laugh. Tells me you have no ability to actually argue against a cogent argument that is opposed to your position. I do better talking to my 9-year old.

Want to actually attempt to respond with more than just grade school name calling techniques? Answer why Weingarten should have not advocated for safety measures to reopen schools, especially when nearly 1 in 3 teachers are 50 and older, and many more have other comobitities.

Why should the Israeli study that came out in July, 2020 that showed schools could be potentially super spreader areas be ignored?

Does the fact that many schools in Europe have better ventilation, and more open/outdoor spaces play a role in COVID spread in schools versus a typical US classroom, which often is indoors, with poor ventilation?

I know the only answers I get will be "grifter." "Too funny," and the like. It's like arguing with my cat. It's the same answer 100% of the time. "Meow."

 

We will never move past this with the endless ignorance your side spews.

In April of 2021 we knew virtually nothing. Just becuase you and your ilk found the occassional paper that reinforced confirmation bias, it still does not make you right. Further, you still ignore the huge differences in set ups between most European schools and US schools.

It is tragically said how truly ignorant those who make the loudest tantrum like arguments are, which is the saddest part of all. People like that and the "emojo king" are the types that make ignorant fools like Lapado and DeSantis possible, which makes you all very, very dangerous.

 

I stopped directly responding to the grifter about a year ago because he wouldn't admit lockdowns and school closures were terrible so I told the poster I wouldn't respond directly to his posts and just post a laugh emoji. He proceeded to copy me(I'm flattered). He is the ultimate grifter. Always saying "at the time" LOL. I posted back then saying it was a terrible decision and this clown keeps posting trying to rationalize it. IF he says he was wrong I'd let it go but until that I will call him out.

 

April of 2021 we knew nothing? Be better. You were wrong on Lockdowns, school closures, masking, forced child vaccinations and Natural immunity. So why anyone would take anything you say on covid seriously is beyond me. You and the other covidians can have a pity party if you want, the rest of us will live in the real world.

 

It's hard for anyone to take you seriously when the only outcomes you recognize are "good" or "terrible." These topics are incredibly complex to distill down to a binary outcome.

 

WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT, yes, schools should not have been closed as long as they were. Happy?

 

Not at all. Sweden did a very good job handling Covid as did the other Nordic countries. The US overall did terrible. Not hard to say. Germany admitted they got it wrong on schools being closed. The US and you and other posters refuse to admit the US did a poor job handling covid and school closures. Germany did it, the US should also, but now the revisionist history being spewed about by Fauci and Randi and some on here was forecast by myself and others a few years ago. It's a complete fraud. No other way to say it.

 

Partial credit only. There was data in May-July of 2020 saying covid didn't spread in schools anymore than community spread. The rest is CYA.

 

So you want an apology? That's what your thousands of pages of meltdown is all about? An "I'm sorry?"

LOL