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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. AzCatFan

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    In the entire population, what does all peer reviewed articles in respected journals say about the vaccine reducing risk of severe COVID cases? The answer is n regardless of age, prior infection, or any other variable, the fully vaccinated have lower risks of hospitalization and death. Every single study says this. EVERY. SINGLE ONE!

    Recommending vaccination for everyone when it reduces the risks is not the antithesis of science. It's solid public health policy. What's the antithesis of science? Using single, anecdotal evidence to push public policy. Or listening to an internal medical doctor who is known more for his public appearances instead of listening to the foremost infectious disease specialists in the world.

    The fact that only a small percentage of people are getting boosters despite the AMA, CDC, Johns Hopkins, and others all recommending it is a monument to stupidity. The death of expertise, as people dO theEiR owN reSeaRcH and believe whatever the person in a lab coat says on YouTube; as long as he says what they want to hear. Actual truth be damned.
     
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  2. GatorJMDZ

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    If you need a good deal on dental bibs, talk to the Q. If you are looking for valid information on Covid or the vaccines, talk to just about anyone but. He's a fraud.
     
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  3. flgator2

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    And you're a lawyer like most are trained liars, just look at tour last statement.
     
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  4. QGator2414

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    You don’t push a new medicine on a population that is at little to no risk. That is the antithesis of medicine. Especially when the new drug does not even work as stated it would.

    You will get there my friend. The cdc and fda also say to still take these things. They are wrong. These are the same entities that have provided the guidance where we still will not let a foreign citizen enter this country legally if they have not taken a shot that does not even work. All while knowing the person almost certainly has had Covid (shot or no shot).

    Again. You will get there…
     
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  5. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    Talk to your doctor. They will confirm the Q now…:ninja3:
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    Subvariants to watch out for:

    Sneezing: Achoo-rus
    Headache: Ache-to-us
    Dizziness: Arc-tour-us
    Feeling cold: Artic-us
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    What is the purpose of a vaccine? If it is to convey 100% immunity to all recipients, then every single vaccine known to man has failed. There isn't a single vaccine that doesn't allow breakthrough cases. While immunity is the gold standard and best possible outcome, the purpose of vaccines are to train the immune system that when the body encounters the actual pathogen, the immune system recognizes the threat, and acts fast to rid the body of said pathogen. Even if a vaccine doesn't provide immunity, if it significantly lessons the severity of an infection, that is a positive vaccine outcome.

    Remember the J&J vaccine? Even at its best against the wild type of COVID, it had only a 67% immunity rate. But the vaccine was approved because as compared to the other approved vaccines, the J&J had similar protection against hospitalization and death. The J&J vaccine was removed from market not because of efficacy, but because it was the one vaccine that did cause issues, mainly blood clots among birthing age women. The CDC removed the vaccine entirely because we had plenty of supply of the other two vaccines. But had the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines been in short supply, the CDC likely would have kept the J&J vaccine approved for males.

    The facts regarding the vaccine is for all cohorts, regardless of age, gender, infection status, etc., the vaccinated group have lower hospitalization and death rates. Infection rates are lower among the vaccinated as well, but infection rate is the least important metric. If you are running a study for the efficacy of a vaccine, and among the vaccinated group and unvaccinated group, infection rates are similar, but the vaccinated group show up significantly less in the hospital and the morgue, do you say the shot was useless because infection rates were similar? When I put it this way, it sounds monumentally stupid! Yet, this is exactly the argument you are making!

    The vaccine lowers the chance for any and all groups to be hospitalized or die from COVID. Even if the risk is already low, the vaccine lowers said risk even more. And with minimal side effects, especially with the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, which are currently the only two approved in the states. So I ask again, why wouldn't we want to lower our risks of a severe case of COVID?
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    Vaccines have a 100% failure rate simply because there was never anything to vaccinate for. Now, vaccine harms are another matter.
     
  9. duggers_dad

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  10. QGator2414

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    The shots failed once Delta hit. They provided some therapeutic help early on. These things never should have been EUA for healthy people. They never would have been in the past. But the propaganda created so much fear they used it to push a one size fits all approach on an entire population that was the antithesis of how medicine has and had practiced. You are still caught up in it. But you will get there my friend.
     
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  11. AzCatFan

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    You can believe this. You can also believe in unicorns that poop out rainbows. But the data the rainbow pooping unicorns and the that the shots failed both don't exist. From a study published this past February, 2023.

    Overall mortality rates among unvaccinated persons were 14.1 times the rates among bivalent vaccine recipients; mortality rates among monovalent-only vaccine recipients were 2.6 times the rates among bivalent vaccine recipients during the late BA.4/BA.5 period.
    Please explain how the bivalent booster ha failed and only provided some therapeutic help early on and the statement above can both be true at the same time?

    Want to see the results in chart form? The black line is unvaccinated. Blue line unfilled is 2 doses, and blue line filled in is 2 doses plus booster. The unvaccinated had more cases per capita, and more deaths per capita.

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    This data is through all of 2022, which includes both the Delta and Omicron waves. Please, pray tell, how again did the vaccine have only therapeutic help early on but failed to protect people once Delta hit? This chart should tell the whole story. At least for those who understand charts, and don't believe in rainbow pooping unicorns!
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    Funny you should mention unicorns …
     
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  14. HeyItsMe

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    Lol, no they won’t. Per usual, no articles or proof, just you saying “trust me.” Your eyes are brown from how full of shit you are.
     
  15. BigCypressGator1981

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    Just came in to say Q will never get there.

    have a blessed weekend all!
     
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  16. duggers_dad

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    Doctors know the vaccine schedule.
     
  17. QGator2414

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    Don’t trust me. Trust your Doctor!
     
  18. QGator2414

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    This is true and an issue in some cases. That said…with Covid it is not an issue. There are a few doctors out there who are still peddling the covid shot. But by and large most are not.

    Most likely places you will find the shot being pushed by a doctor is at a corporate driven model practice where they are pushing every code possible and provide the shot.

    But most shots given now will be pharmacies from the gullible who still listen to big pharma, the cdc and the fda with all their advertising instead of their doctor.
     
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  19. mikemcd810

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    Have you done extensive research as to which doctors are recommending vaccines or is this based on a single person you talked to last weekend?
     
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  20. duggers_dad

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    I’d guess there are as many doctors recommending against vaccines as soldiers declaring they’re not going to fight wars.