Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

We knew in MAY of 2020 that kids weren't spreading covid like adults and that schools weren't any more dangerous than any other public place. These are facts. The poster didn't provide a nuanced and well reasoned response about Sweden. When one can't admit they were wrong why would others keep believing that person? I knew Trump was a liar and refused to vote for him in 16 and 20. Same with that poster. They were on the side of lockdowns, school closures, masking, against the belief natural immunity was superior to the vaccine itself and was for vaccinating healthy kids. IF that person were to admit they were wrong on those issues maybe some people would give that poster the time of day. Until that time I will call them out on their talking out of both sides of their mouth.

 

Yes, really.

Children aren't COVID-19 super-spreaders, say UK experts

Children may not be coronavirus super-spreaders: Australian study

Consensus Is Emerging That Children Are Less Vulnerable to Coronavirus

 

"Children MAY not be superspreader" is not the kind of data you can use to reliably determine that its 100% safe to open schools. They erred on the side of caution and they 100% would again in the same scenario should this happen again with a new novel virus. You're just monday morning quarterbacking right now with the advantage of hindsight.

 

Selective snippets prove nothing. Sweden was one of the last countries to do anything in response to COVID. And their results are telling. I've posted this before, but why not post it again. It shows the result of not locking down at all. All other countries started locking down in March. Sweden didn't propose anything until mid April.



As the Swedish COVID-19 Commission states in their conclusion:

The Swedish COVID-19 Commission felt that earlier and more extensive pandemic action should have been taken, particularly during the first wave.
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This graph would support this conclusion.

Now later in the pandemic, different story. The Swedish government issued PHAs to stay at home, and the result was a significant decrease in mobility. That was before the Swedish government gave out a PHA to work from home, which again, resulted in Stockholm having the largest WFH percentage of all major Euro cities. It should be simple logic to understand a country with a WFH rate of close to 50% (Sweden) will have better COVID outcomes than a country with a 20% (USA) WFH rate.

As for NI being superior than vaccine, 95 is right. But the data wasn't always on his side. The data coming from Manaus, Brazil put a serious question in NI. It was later determined that the Manaus data had serious flaws. But we didn't know that at the time the Manaus data was first being published.

Also, the big issue with NI and being unvaccinated, as stated, is it requires someone to get COVID and recover. We know that at all age levels 12 and above, those vaccinated have lower hospitalization and mortality rates than unvaccinated when they get COVID. We also, in this country, did a poor job of tracking those who got COVID and recovered. It was too easy to fake vaccination cards, but at least we had tracking of all those vaccinated. But those with NI? We had absolutely nothing to show that anyone had gotten sick and recovered. How were we supposed to use proof of NI? Trust people?

Last, Omicron was a big spreader, even among children. Why the wild type and even Delta weren't big spreaders among children is a question we still do not have a definitive answer to. Keeping schools open was a risk, and I have no problem erring on the side of caution.

 

Everybody knows when making public health decisions you just pick one study you like, declare that the definitive right answer, and then plug your fingers in your ears while going "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" for the next 2-3 years. Easy job.

 

You could have saved Harvard the trouble of researching this had you sent them your links

Children and the Spread of COVID-19

 

I see you took one article but didn't comment on the others. That's interesting LOL. At least try to not seem partisan.

"In New South Wales, nine COVID-19-infected children failed to transmit the virus to any other person in their school, consisting of 735 students and 128 staff.

And in further international research, scientists found that less than 10% of family transmission clusters had a child index, compared with 54% of influenza transmission clusters.

In the absence of high-quality sero-surveillance data (estimates of antibody levels), no firm conclusions can be drawn yet, but the strength of the evidence so far should give us enough confidence to re-open schools, the authors argued."

 

LOL.

That "study" proved to be garbage. We had European data showing schools weren't vectors for spread but didn't listen to the data. Unfortunately we listened to school unions. You were on the wrong side of most covid policies it seems. The sooner the people who were wrong admit it the quicker we can move on. Until then I'll call them out.

 

i do love the "selective snippets mean nothing" excuse. Too funny. This is what makes me laugh so much. The mental gymnastics this clown has to perform is Olympics worthy. Just can't admit they were wrong. It's ok. I'm here to call out their BS.

 

Again, you’re using the benefit of hindsight. The point is there was lots of conflicting info about this in May of 2020.

 

No, we had the data but people were scared and didn't follow the data. It's ok to admit it. Once we admit it then we can figure out how to not let dumb decisions like that happen again.

 

Erroneous. There was hardly anywhere close to any consensus on this debate in May of 2020 no matter ow many times you say there was.

And it would 100% happen the exact same way should another one happen. It would be the silver lining of a second global pandemic just to watch you melt down about all over again.

 

LOL. I'm glad you take joy in millions of kids falling woefully behind in school. But that tells me a lot about you.

 

Yeah that's what I said. Derp.

 

Can you show me where that Harvard study was proven to be garbage? How about these showing that children do spread COVID? Based on your logic, I presume these prove that the May 2020 studies were garbage since these are based on more recent data?

American Medical Association (citing an NIH study)

Study sheds light on SARS-CoV-2 transmission in homes with kids

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

Questions and answers on COVID-19: Children aged 1 – 18 years and the role of school settings

Journal of American Medical Association

Association of Age and Pediatric Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Infection

 

Because there are no viruses the following are meaningless: transmission, cases, vaccine efficacy arguments, mask efficacy arguments, lockdown efficacy arguments, etc.

 

Agree with a lot of this. Hence the ignoring of science and seroprevalence is even more infuriating!

 

I was talking about the first few months of the pandemic when I said Sweden didn't have a lock down. Later, they did. But you only quoted the first put that Sweden didn't shut down, and made it seem like I meant for all time. Selective snippets without context. Only charlatans would take things out of context like that.

Bottom line, the Swedish COVID-19 Commission agrees with me. It took them too long to take any action and it cost lives. Once they finally did take action and shut things down, the numbers began to improve. Most Euro countries started to shut down in January or February, 2020. Sweden didn't propose any action until Mid April, and didn't start taking action until May. The graph I posted with COVID deaths shows just how poor a decision that was.

 

Kids did not spread alpha Covid by the data. Once omicron came it did not matter. We were endemic. But if you wanted/want to continue to live in fear and take shots that did/do not matter. Go for it. Reality is we ignored science and data in this country. And we now push anti-medicine/anti-science policy.

But we still have 15% of the population still controlled by the idiots in public health. You will get there…

 

Ignoring science is something you are doing by not promoting the vaccine and booster. From the state of Washington data:

From February 07 to March 06, 2023, unvaccinated individuals were between 2.2 and 6.6 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared to those who received at least one booster dose

From January 16 to February 12, 2023, unvaccinated individuals were between 2.5 and 3.7 times more likely to die from COVID-19 compared to those who received at least one booster dose
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Please note, these are recent, 2023 numbers. Now tell me again, who is ignoring science? The boostered who are significantly more likely to stay out of the hospital and/or morgue, or the unvaccinated?