Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,097
    1,145
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    What does a Barrington USA look like during COVID? How do we deal with the 21% of US households that are multi-generational? Are those kids allowed to go to school and just not interact with Grandma? Or, do we send Grandma off to some COVID Internment Camp? And what about the parents who are part of the 176 million American adults with comorbidities? And teachers with comorbidities? Do we force them to teach or lose their job?

    Of course, none of this matters, because we know what happened in a country that tried a Barrington approach. Six weeks and total course reversal, and later, a report calling the attempt, "The worst public health mistake in history." And this is the right answer? Now that's funny.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  2. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,263
    1,564
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Exactly! When the disease was so dangerous. It looked at the second wave in Israel. Dental and Medical clinics were safe.

    But they gave you a bunch of fear to live on in 2020. It was not hard to know clinics were places of minimal spread. All along it has been the home. Followed by work environments where large groups worked in close proximity. Or large indoor events (wedding/funeral/party/etc) where large groups were in close proximity for an extended period.

    But they scared you into believing you needed a mask in the grocery store while you rode to it in the car with your family (nothing better than watching a family of 5 get out of the car to then put their mask on to walk in a large open space store lol).

    It really is infuriating that they did what they did.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  3. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,263
    1,564
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Trust me…the vast majority in medicine know the Great Barrington Declaration was the correct way to navigate this. But when you have the pressure of losing your license and livelihood…many quietly moved along and allowed the few and their propaganda to prevail. Definitely a frustrating reality.
     
    • Funny Funny x 4
  4. docspor

    docspor GC Hall of Fame

    5,729
    1,823
    3,078
    Nov 30, 2010
    He's immune to logic.

    There was an econ study about 30 years ago. Heavily paraphrasing: Participant A was given a series of numbers (maybe stock prices) & their task was to predict the next # (price). Participant B's task was to predict A's prediction & was paid according to accuracy. In treatment 1, As & Bs had the same series of #s; hence, the same info. In treatment 2, Bs also had the actual price & KNEW that As did NOT have this info. Their predictions were worse in treatment 2....they could not ignore info even though they knew it was irrelevant to their task. In fact, in a third treatment, Bs were allowed to pay to not get the actual # (price) knowing that info would bias them & they did pay to not get the info.

    Hindsight bias - Wikipedia
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  5. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    You’re still pretending their was a present threat other than your state of mind. Nothing as tepid as a Great Barrington approach was needed, much less the draconian restrictions that were actually instituted.
     
  6. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,730
    1,789
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    No thanks.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. mikemcd810

    mikemcd810 Premium Member

    1,957
    435
    348
    Apr 3, 2007
    Is that how you make important decisions in business and life? Someone who isn't remotely qualified says "trust me" and you're sold? What a joke.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  8. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Well, it worked for Fauci.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  9. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

    11,494
    2,541
    3,303
    Apr 3, 2007
    Charlotte
    You don’t have to convince me. I only influence myself. You’ll need to convince the AMA, Hopkins, Mayo Clinic and such who influence policy. Get on it medical expert poster.
     
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2023
    • Funny Funny x 2
  10. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Fun Fact! George Henry Simmons (January 2, 1852 – September 1, 1937) was an English-born American physician, editor-in-chief of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) and general secretary of the American Medical Association (AMA). He edited JAMA from 1899 to 1924.

    He practiced medicine with a mail order diploma and may have served as inspiration for the movie Gaslighting based on the way he drove his wife insane.
     
  11. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    8,795
    862
    2,843
    Apr 16, 2007
    Was this before, or after, trying to close the interstate to New Yorkers?
     
  12. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,263
    1,564
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    Based on each type of spread. Asymptomatic spread would be the spread with no symptoms. Presymptomatic would be when symptoms do occur shortly after spread.

    I personally don’t even think presymptomatic spread was a major factor in the spread. Though I do think it occurred. Asymptomatic was used to pedal fear.
     
  13. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,263
    1,564
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    You don’t have to. It is reality.
     
  14. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,263
    1,564
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    You don’t have to. It is reality.
     
  15. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,730
    1,789
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    At the time the virus is spreading, how do we distinguish between asymptomatic spread and presymptomatic spread?

    I know you hold Dr. Bradley Bale in high regard, you may be interested to know that he believes asymptomatic spread of covid occurs.
     
  16. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Symptomatic vs Asymptomatic is a false distinction. All that meant, in the ‘time of Covid’, is that people with symptoms and people without symptoms tested positive via an entirely fraudulent diagnostic test, whether the PCR or the lateral flow. There is no disease.
     
  17. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    he’s been going on like this for well over a year now.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  18. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
  19. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    24,839
    2,591
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    It is YOUR reality, huge difference.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  20. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,263
    1,564
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    No. It is reality. You even gave sound advice recently to seek expert medical advice from your doctor. I could not agree more. They will not have you masking in their office. They will not be pushing these shots. Unfortunately they know that the cdc and fda are a disaster and can no longer count on those entities to provide sound guidance. But they are still the best person to seek healthcare advice from.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1