Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,097
    1,145
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    This study compares vaccine induced myocarditis and MIS-C versus COVID induced. Rates are higher in both instances with infection. Not only does infection increase your chances of myocarditis, it increases severe outcomes which is MIS-C.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    12,913
    1,727
    3,268
    Jan 6, 2009
    I’m not trying to troll you, but the fact that you didn’t know this is rather shocking and should probably cause you to reconsider where you are getting your information on such matters.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Winner Winner x 2
  3. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
  4. Swamplizard

    Swamplizard VIP Member

    4,025
    752
    1,833
    Apr 3, 2007
    Orlando, Florida
    I was asking for proof not arguing I have had 2 of the vaccines and now have myocarditis with NO history of any heart disease I don't smoke never have and barely drink alcohol so I am somewhat looking for validation


    Higher Incidence of Myocarditis, Pericarditis Found After COVID-19 Vaccination).
     
  5. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    “Safe and Effective.”

    Keep saying it as many times as it takes to believe it.
     
  6. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
  7. Swamplizard

    Swamplizard VIP Member

    4,025
    752
    1,833
    Apr 3, 2007
    Orlando, Florida

    A very mild case if you want to say I tested positive for it but I was diagnosed with Myocarditis before it happened
     
  8. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    12,913
    1,727
    3,268
    Jan 6, 2009
    Sorry to hear that. From what I understand most cases of vaccine induced myocarditis are pretty mild and fully resolve themselves in relatively short order. Covid induced myocarditis tends to be more serious on average.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    “Covid induced myocarditis tends to be more serious on average.”

    What’s Covid ?
     
  10. HeyItsMe

    HeyItsMe GC Hall of Fame

    1,808
    530
    2,088
    Mar 7, 2009
    Are you going to actually contribute something or just keep posting the same dumb shit over and again?
     
  11. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,083
    1,191
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    As long as belief in fatal unicorn dust persists, I’ll be the kid in the back with his hand raised.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  12. G8tas

    G8tas GC Hall of Fame

    4,499
    908
    453
    Sep 22, 2008
    The Covid emergency ends on May 11th and so should this thread
     
  13. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

    18,263
    1,564
    1,308
    Aug 24, 2009
    Ocala
    That study is complete garbage lol.

    Let me pick a 4 year span to look at before Covid. Then an 11 month span during Covid (including part of the time shots were given out/granted early and very few 21 year olds would have gotten one). And a two month span (also early on when few 21 year olds would have been getting them). Which provided 9 total subjects to look at in the vaccine group lol.

    What a joke. Stop looking for the answer you want. Demand RCT on myocarditis. In myocardial infraction. On Silent Myocardial Infraction.

    There is no sound evidence in any direction because they are not looking for answers. But you know we have a massive increase in events.

    It is going to be a combination of things. It will be Covid. It will be the shots. It will be the lockdowns. And it will be the fear instilled in people to not go to the doctor. Those 4 things are going to be the driving factors. And we need to know which ones are primary. Though it really is a combination likely.

    We never should have told a young healthy person to cause inflammation in their body unnecessarily!
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  14. ncargat1

    ncargat1 VIP Member

    14,412
    6,299
    3,353
    Dec 11, 2009
    Well, someone better tell the actual scientists who are collecting actual data and analyzing it.

    JACC data showing incidence of cardiac event post COVID significantly lower in those vaccinated than those not.



     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  15. ncargat1

    ncargat1 VIP Member

    14,412
    6,299
    3,353
    Dec 11, 2009
    Also, I guess it is good we continue to show that anti-parasite medication does not, in fact, have any benefit against VIRAL infections. Huh...go figure.

    Higher-Dose Ivermectin vs Placebo and Time to Sustained Recovery in Outpatients With COVID-19
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  16. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,097
    1,145
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Don't like one study? Fine. Here's another. This one from Italy that supports the risk of MIS-C from infection is much greater than myocarditis from the vaccine.

    Maybe you don't like the study above. So how about this one? From the study:

    Myocarditis and myopericarditis are now a known rare and serious adverse event of the SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines.17–20 The incidence of these complications is significantly lower than that occurring after natural infection, and thus, the benefits of vaccination outweigh the known risks in this regard.
    The questions you ask are fine. The hypothesis that it's the vaccine is worth testing too. But the data and facts that we already have? None point to the conclusion that it's the vaccine. And plenty point to infection as the cause.

    You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. And those facts and data don't support your opinion one iota. No matter how indignant you get.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  17. HeyItsMe

    HeyItsMe GC Hall of Fame

    1,808
    530
    2,088
    Mar 7, 2009
    I wouldn’t even bother trying to educate him anymore, Cat. It’s clear that any response that doesn’t fit or agree with that of his expert dental receptionist opinion is wrong no matter how many facts or studies you show him. And of course he never has an actual study of his to support his claims. It’s the same dumb garbage over and over again with him. He’s a lost cause drowning in his own unfounded arrogance.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  18. ncargat1

    ncargat1 VIP Member

    14,412
    6,299
    3,353
    Dec 11, 2009
    This thread got much, much better by simply blocking 2 people.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. HeyItsMe

    HeyItsMe GC Hall of Fame

    1,808
    530
    2,088
    Mar 7, 2009
    I enjoy reading the laughably ignorant comments backed up by no proof, followed by the continual laughing emoji reactions we get while trying to educate them.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  20. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,707
    1,374
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    Whereas there simply are no studies that support your claims.