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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    Basic medicine and science. You don’t make decisions without consideration for an entire population when it comes to new drugs. This thing was a cluster from the beginning. And they have covered up the atrocious decisions made to push these drugs while ignoring therapeutics. And they did so ignoring the disease was of little danger to most.

    Again. The good news is most people understand this now. Hence you are now in the minority. It is unfortunate so many were deceived into unnecessarily taking shots they did not need.
     
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  2. HeyItsMe

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    Cat is one of the most intelligent and educated people on this board, and alway brings the receipts with him to support his statements. You, on the other hand, just continue to speculative nonsense that is not based on any really facts but your own opinion. I’d quit while you’re ahead.
     
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  3. AzCatFan

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    So no data to support your suppositions. Just the platitude of, "Basic medicine and science," while ignoring all the data supporting the vaccines efficacy against severe COVID outcomes.

    I like to let the data tell the story. Liars figures, but figures don't lie. If you have actual data to support your opinions, I'm happy to read them and attempt to understand. But without the data to support you, your position is an anti-science, populism position. And if the data doesn't support what the majority thinks, then the majority is wrong. Viruses don't care about popular opinion.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    There is no Covid. Vaccine efficacy is a useless concept.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    You know the data. Just like cat. This disease never warranted a new shot for most people. And now the shots are not warranted for anyone. But a few who fell for the propaganda amd are still controlled by it push them. Thankfully it is a minority now. We have caused generational damage in so many ways.

    I really feel for the small percentage of kids whose parents are still blinded by the propaganda and are having then take these shots. It is actually infuriating now.
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    I don’t need to waste my time anymore providing the hard data along with the known reality this disease is not that dangerous to most. We knew that before we even shut down. Yet the authoritarians pushed this mess on the people anyways.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    I’m convinced that some of dark cabal knew there was no evidence for a virus. Drosten frankly acknowledged that he didn’t wait for an isolate to roll out the PCR test in what was reportedly the quickest peer review in history.
     
  8. mdgator05

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    It should be noted that this is the unreliable narrator problem.

    You claimed nobody had videoed a virus. I showed that somebody had. Then you provided some video that allowed you to run to deal with the cognitive dissonance (certainly better than your attempts to do it on your own where you couldn't even figure out the basics of what the study was doing). You wisely decided not to try to present the points from that video, as you didn't want them subjected to any sort of critical analysis.

    Then, I asked you about the falsification criteria for your beliefs and you admitted that you had no specific falsification criteria that you could provide because you didn't want to be falsified. This destroyed the very notion that you are a critical thinker, as critical thinkers think critically about their own beliefs and think about how they could be falsified, so it isn't worth continuing to engage with a non-critical thinker engaging in a Gish Gallop with the goal of convincing themselves how smart they are. Also, the strategy that most people have taken to you on this thread.

    At the point, you yelled into the ether for a couple of pages and came back here looking for your fix.
     
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  9. AzCatFan

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    You provide no data. And you ignore the data from places like the State of WA that show continued efficacy of the vaccine lowering hospitalization and death rates in all age groups 12 and older.

    All communicable diseases that spread quickly are not dangerous to most. If they were, the disease would kill itself by killing off too many of its hosts to be able to survive long term. But that doesn't mean COVID wasn't deadly; it quickly became the third leading cause of death world-wide, and the only communicable disease on the top 5 list. And the vaccine has proven to lower the death rate and hospitalization rate numbers, as the data clearly shows.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    And it should be noted that your ‘viral’ video, less a video and more a flip book, was brassily tendered to destroy my prior dismissal of the notion of viruses hijacking cells to replicate.

    And what of your study ? The researchers *calculated* that a tiny particle, not proven to be a virus, in its circuitous frenzy *may* have come in contact with a cell before caroming into the void.

    Summary: the best you could bring was smoke and mirrors, a showcasing of technology in lieu of the hard science never actually applied by virologists.

    And I suppose I never heard why I had to add to the no-virus challenge I posted at the time ...

    https://viroliegyhome.files.wordpre...thevirusdebate-source.pdf?force_download=true
     
  11. QGator2414

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    Nonsense. These shots would have been pulled long ago based on even the short term issues for healthy people. They should have never been given authorization for young healthy people. Based on the fatality rate alone. Then you throw in seroprevalence and it was complete malpractice by public health officials. They will continue to do their best to hide it. But the data speaks.

    The good news is these authoritarians have lost their control on most. And most doctors are learning to treat without the help of the cdc and fda…
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    An average of 1,279 drugs recalled every year.

    “But trust us. The vaccines are safe.”

    It’s almost like they convinced themselves.
     
  13. AzCatFan

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    Data, please!

    The latest COVID booster has about the same efficacy rate in preventing disease as most Flu shots. Which is usually around 50%. Still, almost all medical professional will suggest everyone eligible to get a shot. Why? Because even at 50%, it prevents some transmission. And depending on the seroprevalence of the strain of the flu, it's possible to reach a herd immunity against a flu for a season. It all depends on how many people get the shot, whether or not the shot guessed the strain directly, and the percentage of the population has natural immunity

    We could reach this with COVID, at least on a temporary state as well. Only temporary, because it seems NI and shot immunity fade over time. And while the current booster is only about 48% effective against infection, that number goes higher for those with hybrid immunity. If everyone eligible was boostered, along with NI, we could likely reach a temporary herd immunity. But at the vaccine levels we're at? Not ever going to happen.

    And again, there's plenty of data showing efficacy against hospitalization and death, which you continue to ignore.
     
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  14. QGator2414

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    I am always skeptical. But what really irks me on these shots was the complete ignoring of basic medicine and science to push them on an entire population with no regard for the actual risk to the patient.

    To still be peddling these shots is the actual antithesis of medicine and science at this point.

    Get ready for the attempted fear mongering to heighten if CH.1.1 takes over omicron and its subvariants.
     
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  15. duggers_dad

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    There is no evidence of reduction of hospitalizations and deaths from a non-existent virus.

    I get tired of having to say this, but the entire pan-panic is predicated on a test that was formulated without an isolate and calibrated to detect segments of a computer printout.

    Yes, virology is that bad.
     
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  16. QGator2414

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    Go take your shot my friend. LOL. You don't need it. But if you insist...go for it.
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    People taking potentially risky treatments for a computer printout.

    It’s that bad.
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    The fall back argument when you're stuck and can't actually debate the facts. "Go get your Xth booster...ha ha!!!!"

    You have nothing to offer. No data to back your arguments. Just your opinion, but no facts.
     
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  20. QGator2414

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    You know the data. You know the fatality rate is actually that of a bad flu season and that for young people it is nothing. They inflated the hysteria with ridiculous models at the beginning. They shelved good potential therapeutic treatments in order to push forward with a vaccinate everyone regardless of risk strategy and it has been a failed disaster.

    But you keep taking shots. The vast majority see reality.
     
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