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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. citygator

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    I get confused when deniers talk about natural immunity. You have to survive the virus to have natural immunity. When the survival rate is so much worse what exactly is your point? VAg8tr1 chart pretty much sums it up.
     
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  2. QGator2414

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    LOL!

    No it does not. Funny how you are gonna to ignore The Lancet.

    But we knew from the Delta wave early on natural immunity was superior. It was ignored sadly to push these shots on everyone. The antithesis of science and medicine.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    No such thing as natural immunity, neither to test nor normal eliminative processes like cough, congestion, fever, etc.
     
  4. VAg8r1

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    Sounds like the Golden Globes may have been a super spreader event, kind of like the New Years Eve party that my son attended. Within days following the party he developed Covid as did his girlfriend, his girlfriend's mother, myself and my wife.
     
  5. mdgator05

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    You know what is superior to natural immunity? Hybrid immunity, where you have both. In fact, the immunity provided by the shot has been shown in scientific studies to provide protection regardless of your prior infection status.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2207082
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    I do appreciate that you are honest and say “may” have been. It cracks me up when people say it “did” lessen their symptoms. As poor @dangolegators did seem to get the same fortune you had with all of their shots. It knocked them down pretty hard according to them. Maybe if they had taken one more booster…;)

    The thing was nothing for me. Less than the flu for my parents. No shots for us. Amazing I know!:)
     
  7. QGator2414

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    If you want to take shots unnecessarily because your risk tolerance says to. Go for it.

    Not worth it if you ask me. Especially as we see safety signals and know of safety signals. They won’t do it. But I have a strong suspicion/theory that SMI (Silent Myocardial Infraction) is a real safety issue with these shots (symptoms match the old what to possibly expect from the shots). With all we are observing. But we need to ask the questions. We need the studies to be done.
     
  8. duggers_dad

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    Best way to beat a mind virus: stop testing and don’t panic when you get the same cough you get every winter.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    This disease is not that dangerous to the vast majority of people. There is no reason for healthy people to take a potential therapeutic with no track record of safety that was rushed to market (for high risk groups…okay…but low risk groups…no way).
     
  10. dangolegators

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    Not ignoring the Lancet. The Lancet says "vaccination remains the safest and most optimal tool for protection against infection and COVID-19-related hospitalisation and death."

    You're the one who is ignoring the Lancet and mountains of other data that shows the vaccination protects against hospitalization and death.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Super-spreading needless panic. So long as Americans refuse to stop testing, the panic could go on forever.
     
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  12. duggers_dad

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    The Lancet is an embarrassment.
     
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  13. citygator

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    The current variant isn’t. Sure. The earlier ones were. You can’t take current risks and indict the recommendations that existed when the risks were much higher.

    CDC recommends flu shots. Get them or don’t get them, I don’t care. But you can’t deny the better outcome from getting one.
     
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  14. dangolegators

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    Covid killed more than 12,000 Americans in December.
     
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  15. duggers_dad

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    Why doesn’t Biden stop this ? He’s had two years now!
     
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  16. citygator

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    Agreed. Still more dangerous than flu which kills 2,500- 7,500 per month. But way less dangerous than when it was killing 100,000 per month.
     
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  18. QGator2414

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    I was just posting it for @dangolegators
     
  19. QGator2414

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    Yeah you are. The Lancet just showed you natural immunity is superior. Yet you still try to talk around and ignore this reality.
     
  20. QGator2414

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    The flu shot has a long safety record that makes it reasonable to recommend for certain people. I don’t take it. I don’t give it to my kids anymore as they got older.

    The covid shot has real safety concerns. Especially for young people. And its efficacy looks to be worse than the flu shot at this point. And the flu shot has a crappy efficacy as is.

    I really hope we dive into these shots. I think they know the answers and will not because of that. But we need to run tests on…

    No Shot No known covid
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    on SMI (silent myocardial infarction). We know myocarditis. But with what we are seeing I think it is plausible we have caused a lot of heart damage unnecessarily.

    We will see if they actually do as these are the type of questions that need to be answered. For everyone. It may not be an issue. It might be Covid is the only issue. But it is crazy we are not asking the questions on things like this.