Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

As I said, still a complete lack of data. You made a claim. It was false. Sorry.

Well, when considering your medical recommendations, I should probably weight your medical training against Fauci's. Fauci has an MD from Cornell and decades of experience with contagious diseases. You saw a Youtube video. I agree, it is a close call here as to whom might know more about medicine.

 

For those following along at home, the claim is: Florida, by staying open has been far better with education that most.

Student achievement data doesn't support this claim.

Data from here (you will have to select grade levels and subjects to get all the data):NAEP State Profiles

Google sheet of everything sorted and organized in one place:

Looking at each subject and grade, and looking at the change from 2019 to 2022, here is how Florida did:
4th grade Math- we were 25th in the nation in average score change from 2019 to 2022. We lost 5 points on our average score, we were right at the national average. We were 33rd in the nation in percent proficient change from 2019 to 2022. We lost 7 points from 2019 to 2022, the national average was losing 5 points.

8th grade Math- we were 27th in the nation in average score change from 2019 to 2022. We lost 8 points on our average score, we were right at the national average. We were 29th in the nation in percent proficient change from 2019 to 2022. We lost 8 points from 2019 to 2022, the national average was losing 7 points.

We did a lot better in reading.

4th grade Reading- we were 7th in the nation in average score change from 2019 to 2022. We maintained our average score, we were right at the national average. We were tied for 2nd in the nation in percent proficient change from 2019 to 2022, Only Louisiana did better than us. We gained 1 point from 2019 to 2022, the national average was losing 2 points.

8th grade Reading- we were 19th in the nation in average score change from 2019 to 2022. We lost 3 points on our average score, we were right at the national average. We were 32nd in the nation in percent proficient change from 2019 to 2022. We lost 5 points from 2019 to 2022, the national average was losing 3 points.

 

As a reminder, you linked propaganda (an elected government official that you admit only told you part of the story, the part of the story that you wanted to believe) to support the notion that Florida did the best in the country in terms of education. When the entire data was viewed, that was false. You then walked back the claim (suddenly it was Florida and states like them). However, the data doesn't support that either. So now you have shifted to another question entirely (education vs. vaccine mandates- which is a nonsensical question), with more of your empty buzzwords.

It would have been easier just to admit that you wanted to believe that Florida did better than anybody in education, and did based upon propaganda you read, but that the entire data didn't show that. But I also know you won't do that.

 

I suppose if you follow people like fauci who ignore science and throw their Hippocratic oath in the garbage. You might think this.

 

This is something that everyone knows. People have rejected giving this to their kids by and large. Just like they have rejected the bivalent booster. Other countries had and have already stopped giving the shot to young healthy people. They are following the science.

 

Believe as you wish. If you want to follow a guy who has ignored science and threw his Hippocratic Oath in the garbage. That is on you.

You are smart enough to know we don’t vaccinate people just because. There has to be compelling reasons and science along the way. If you want to follow bad medicine. That is your choice. Regardless of where the person you want to listen to got a degree and what that degree was in. There are still some falling for the awful medicine being perished by fauci and his ilk. Big pharma thanks all of you as well as a side note.

 

Yes it has been far better. Especially for those with less means.

And we have not even addressed the mental health side of this…

 

Wrong again.

 

Any rational thinking person knows school lockdowns were terrible for kids. Even you. But keep on trying to convince yourself otherwise. This is on the same page as following a fauci who ignores science and data. Your choice.

 

This is the response a fauci follower would continue to give…

 

this is the kind of response a smooth brain who gets their medical advice from YouTube would continue to give…

 

Our locals following their experts

 

Far better based on what? The data is right there in what you quoted. In what ways are finishing around the middle of the pack the same thing as "far better"?

 

Empty emotional phrases. He hasn't ignored science. He has ignored you and the Youtube accounts you follow. You are not science. His positions are more consistent with published scientific literature than your position is.

And you are the judge of what is and what isn't terrible medicine? Who appointed you to this position? I always say the difference between confidence and arrogance is how attached to reality a person is when they declare that they have the capability to judge such things. If you have the background to adequately know why you think somebody got something wrong, it is confidence in a position. If you have no such background, to the point that you likely wouldn't pass a basic exam on the subject, that is arrogance. Do you think you would pass an exam that a major doctor gave you on the prior literature in medicine or public health or research methods or any other related field?


When you are essentially declaring yourself the arbiter of the quality of medicine, despite no medical background, even as you oppose those who actually have such positions and background, you better have some very compelling arguments and evidence. And you don't. Just regurgitated talking points, emotional buzzwords, and empty phrases to dismiss thoughts that disagree with your judgment. And Youtube videos carefully curated to your viewpoint.

The lack of compelling evidence is why you continue on with empty phrases about "propaganda" (when you, ironically, actually provided propaganda from an interested politician) or "not following the science" (when you have no knowledge about the scientific literature or methods) when confronted by this lack of evidence. Because an actual analysis of the data isn't helpful to your narrative. So keep things vague and vacuous.

 

LOL!

I have a few doctors on the internet I do listen to in order to get their perspective. But I have plenty of interactions in the medical community on the ground.

I actually think you are smart enough to know fauci ignored science and threw his Hippocratic oath in the garbage. But you are just not able to accept it or show it publicly yet. I could be wrong.

But it is basic fact that facui and his ilk ignored science and that data to push a drug with a one size fits all approach onto people who did not need it. You already have acknowledge you understand severity. Which that alone shows you are smart enough to know how wrong they were in the approach. Hopefully you will let your pride or whatever it is keeping you from stating the truth go one day. Or propaganda truly is just that powerful…

 

Everything you just wrote is incorrect. Rinse and repeat.

 

Based on the consensus of all
Living humans. But you keep telling yourself remote learning is better. Even @AzCatFan acknowledges his kids were harmed by being kept out of school.

 

Florida Virtual School consistently out performs the brick and mortar schools in the state.

If I'm a living human and I don't agree that Florida did better in education during the pandemic, doesn't that mean you don't have a consensus of all living humans? Or is the capitalization on Living some weird sovereign citizen thing I don't know about?

 

A one size fits all approach is terrible Medicine. You treat the patient. But if you want to receive average to bad healthcare. Find the doctor that just treats the symptoms and plugs numbers into software tell them if you are high risk for disease. That is fine. And it is unfortunately the norm in corporate healthcare.

You should read the book Beat the Heart Attack Gene. Dr. Bale and Amy Doneen get to the heart (no pun intended) on what is wrong with how we teach healthcare. I have not read the whole book yet but have a cliff notes version from my wife reading it as we build our practice around Integrative Dental Medicine. Loved the line…”Most doctors, however, are not disease detectives. They’re trained to look for symptoms of active disorders and treat them.”

I am not declaring myself the arbiter of anything. I am calling a spade a spade. fauci and the one size fits all approach he and his ilk took caused generational damage to healthcare/public health. It is going to take time to rebuild that trust. It really is unfortunate.

 

If you think locking kids out of school was not a public health policy disaster. You would be part of a small minority. But there are certainly some that do not acknowledge the damage done. Especially to the underprivileged…