Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

I’ll thumbnail it. Translation: mixed with genetic materials and poisoned so as to produce stained artifacts the presupposed to be an infectious pathogen ...

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For transmission electron microscopy, C6/36 cells were infected or not (mock) with BR/P05 for 48 h and fixed with 2.5% glutaraldehyde in 0.1 M sodium cacodylate buffer for 1 h. Cells were washed twice with 0.1 M cacodylate buffer, pH 7.2, and subsequently fixed in 1% OsO4, 0.8% KFe (CN)6 and 5 mM CaCl2 diluted in 0.1 M cacodylate buffer for 1 h. After fixation, the cells were washed, dehydrated in increasing concentrations of acetone and embedded in Poly/Bed 812 resin for 72 h at 60 °C. Ultrathin sections were stained for 30 min with uranyl acetate and for 2 min with lead citrate before analysis in a JEOL JEM-1400 transmission electron microscope (JEOL, Tokyo, Japan) at 80 kV [28]. For average size estimation, 152 virions were manually measured based on the size scale for the mean calculation.

 

And there were no "unexplained" deaths among apparently healthy people under the age of 35 before April 2021 (when Covid vaccinations became widely available).

 

Just curious do you live near Volusia county?
I ask as there was a 57ish y/o guard who also died last summer of COVID

 

Yes. Ormond. Work in daytona. We had 3 hospitalized in our dept. One in their 20s one in their 30s and one in their 40s. A few more who were laid out for a while but avoided the hospital although had lingering effects for weeks if not more.

Gerald in the link below was a medic for volusia county EMS and admittedly not a healthy guy but a guy who would most likely be alive if not for covid. He was a sweet person. His sister passed one day after he did I believe. We also lost a young cop in daytona from it as well. I didn't get a vaccine myself until Delta as the sick and dying added up in our area around that time and I assumed my natural immunity from infection a year prior had worn off.

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But lots of such deaths after so-called vaccines became available.

 

That is just used to take pictures of it (also, it is not "mixed" with genetic materials, it naturally lives amongst other genetic materials- it is a bit absurd to complain about how a virus can't be isolated then complain about the process to isolate it from its environment, which means getting rid of the other material). Now tell me how they changed the nucleic acid, which is how they actually identified it as a separate set of genetic material.

 

Let’s stop being over dramatic. Those oxygen canisters should be on wheels so not that difficult to maneuver

 

I knew Gerald from years of working in the ER at HMC and Florida hospital.

Also knew one VCBP from growing up in the area and mutual friends. Sad story.

 

Yes. It's a bit different when there are actual names and faces to the statistics. I have been very much objective throughout covid. I'm probably incorrect in some of my beliefs but I respected the randomness of Delta which although reported as less lethal at the time is the variant that started to make it hit home for me. I had a few coworkers take significant hits with the original virus but it was Delta that took out several people I knew first and second hand locally.

 

Same here.
I waited in part because I wanted to make sure all the higher risk people got first dibs. Then it waited until Delta came rolling through. My two teens got it with minimal effects, and my wife and I were lucky to not get it.
At the same time many people I work with got it so I got the Moderna.

Still haven’t knowingly gotten it despite being exposed dozens of times and testing multiple times each time.

Never even have gotten as much as a sniffle in the last 2.5 years.
Wife and youngest got Omicron (likely) in Jan of this year and I dodged it again.

Guess I’m a super avoider

 

I administered regeneron in Jacksonville and Orlando during Delta and somehow never got it. Plenty of people who were staunchly anti vaccine but were miserably ill came in for treatment. I got covid in 2020 but only realized I had it when my two engine crew mates came down with severe symptoms.

Again, my father was in advent hospital for a month and my friends father went into the ICU for a month, barely avoided intubation and then upon making a stunning turnaround was released from the hospital before going into arrest a few days later.

I was never in favor of shut downs as I thought the most vulnerable should shelter. I didn't rush for a vaccine but ended up getting the Johnson and Johnson because it was a one shot deal but I urged my parents to get theirs early on. I thought the cloth masks and surgical masks were pointless as they weren't executed appropriately to begin with but had no problem wearing them upon request. Proper N95s I felt served their purpose but our department would only give us 2 at a time so they were more often than not overused by the time we were issued new ones. VCems were issued respirators but my dept is a clown show and the administration never bought into covid as a legitimate health threat.

 

I agree with your assessments

 

I think it is kind of a misunderstanding based upon how vaccines historically have worked in most cases. With most diseases (excluding the flu) vaccines tend to work by preventing infection, through antibodies and later T cells, ultimately leading to herd immunity, and to a large degree elimination of the disease.

With Covid the disease (not the vaccine) is different, as it mutates frequently, making antibody infection prevention less effective, and incubates faster than T cells activate, making T cell infection prevention less effective. Nonetheless, the T cells are very effective at preventing severe disease once infection starts.

So with most slow incubating diseases, severe disease is prevented by reduction / elimination of infection. With Covid, severe disease is reduced by modest infection reduction plus T cells knocking infection back.

Again, the difference is the disease, not the way the vaccine works. I was recently with an anti vax moron and he saw a news clip regarding polio vaccine and he chirped “Now that’s a REAL vaccine!” There was no point in trying to explain that the vaccines work the same way but the results are different due to the nature of the diseases.

Finally, if the purpose of the vaccine is to prevent severe disease, I wonder how the flu vaccine fits, because my understanding from something you posted was that the T cell response is pretty weak with the flu vaccine, so presumably you are mostly relying on short term antibody infection prevention - which is yet another confusing example where infection prevention is the primary means of severe disease reduction.

 

Or that the covid vaccine after only two shots was just as effective as the polio vaccine after only two shots.

 

Yeah I think the Polio shot is something in the high 80s in terms of effectiveness. I didn’t realize until recently that for most people the polio infection isn’t a big deal, but for a small percentage it is (not unlike Covid in that respect). But polio is much slower incubating so T cells will prevent infection in most cases such that with high enough vaccination rates you get true herd immunity. Plus I don’t think it was rapidly changing variants either.

 

I didn't know until someone in this thread caused me to look it up that you have to get four polio shots, because after only two shots has about the same effectiveness as the alpa covid vaccine did against delta. Kind of wild that one of those is considered to be REAL vaccine, but the other isn't, when they are both equally effective after two shots. Almost like it isn't really about the science.

After four shots the polio vaccine is very effective, but it helps that it incubates slower and doesn't have rapidly changing variants.

 

and of course taxpayers will foot the bill

 

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