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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. mdgator05

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    Not every issue gets you sent to an ICU before it kills you. Even if the disease progression has changed, that doesn't mean that Covid is not related to deaths. Without a systemic review of the rate of Type I and Type II errors both over the total period and over time, it is difficult to say.
     
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    But they are counting covid deaths in some states as long as it was 60 days prior. I have shown some pediatric covid "deaths" due to suicide. It's counting against the numbers. Hence the numbers are garbage. We underestimated covid deaths the first 3-6 months, since then because of the rules they put in place(at first any covid+ at anytime and then a death was counted as a covid death). I mean the CDC came out and said 40% of pediatric covid deaths in 2021 were not false. Only thing worse than no data is wrong data.
     
  3. mdgator05

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    Which states and how is the system setup?

    Sounds highly likely to be a Type II error. I haven't denied the existence of Type II errors. I have simply stated that you have not shown any evidence that they are more common than Type I errors. Arguing bias requires you to show that. If there are similar numbers of Type I errors and Type II errors and those errors are random, the numbers are likely pretty accurate.

    Can you link the CDC data showing that 60% of all pediatric deaths listed in 2021 were Type II errors? Also, what is the Type I error rate (Covid deaths without a diagnosis of Covid)?
     
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  4. gator95

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    I posted it a long time ago and will have to try to find it. Also, i did post evidence. No one is in the ICU with covid. You can't just assume it's covid like you could 12-24 months ago when there were ICU's with covid patients.
     
  5. mdgator05

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    That isn't evidence of the relative rates of Type I and Type II errors, as it doesn't address what percentage of people who weren't listed as having died due to Covid died due to Covid. You didn't post evidence that Type II errors are more common than Type I errors, only the supposition that because they aren't in ICUs, they must not have died due to Covid.
     
  6. gator95

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    Seriously arguing that 500 deaths a day when no one is in the ICU? Ok, i guess that's one way to look at it. I found the 2020 Pediatric deaths show 35% of deaths weren't from covid. It will take more digging to find 2021.

    Death Certificate–Based ICD-10 Diagnosis Codes for COVID-19

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  7. mdgator05

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    There are people in the ICU with Covid. Not as many as used to be there, likely due to the contribution of vaccines and the previous killing of a significant part of the elderly population, but to claim that there is "no one in the ICU (implied: due to Covid) seems like quite the exaggeration.

    Well that paper is saying that there may be age specific issues, but that there is a very low error rate overall and that Type II errors are not common across the entire sample. That doesn't support your point about top line numbers.
     
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    You’re right, it’s 35%, not 40%. But that’s from 2020. There is literally no one seriously sick in one of the largest hospitals in the country. I’m sure it’s just them though…

    it’s ok to admit the Covid niners are false. I’ll go with the chief medical officer over someone from the internet.
     
  10. mdgator05

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    A quote from your own link:

    So if your own link is saying that they are accurate, why would I believe someone from the Internet?
     
  11. gator95

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    That was from 2020. It’s not accurate anymore. And I showed pediatric deaths were greatly exaggerated.
     
  12. mdgator05

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    So your argument is that this system was accurate in 2020 but not in 2022? Why? You were complaining about what states used to do, and now saying that what they used to do was accurate but what they are doing now isn't?
     
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  15. oragator1

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    from the article.


    The study concluded that, in general, the risk of myocarditis from SARS-CoV2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was greater than the risk of myocarditis from the vaccines. But there was no control group of unvaccinated people, the study was limited to the 28 days following vaccination, and the conclusion did not hold for all ages or all of the vaccines.
     
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    STOP. It is not acceptable to just throw facts at the maga types. They always fire right back with absolutely zero. One must realize therefore they become paralyzed with the constraints of truth and simply freeze up. Have some compassion and go easy on facts in the future.
     
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    In 1976 Americans were outraged on learning that as many as 25 might have been killed by the swine flu vaccine.

    Fast forward: Americans are informed that the Covid vaccine may cause heart problems, which may or many not be transient, shrug their shoulders and roll up their sleeves.

    2020ff perhaps the most successful terror campaign in American history.
     
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    Culpable players in mass-panic ranked ...

    Public Health —> Media —> Government(s)
     
  20. Gatorrick22

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    Just because the article implemented a 'language softener' doesn't mean that the vaccines aren't dangerous.
     
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