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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. QGator2414

    QGator2414 VIP Member

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    These public health idiots need to be held accountable. Thankfully we have doctors finally standing up to this nonsense.
     
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  2. oragator1

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    well,you can certainly not tell that to the five hundred people that died today from it. And the well over 100k that will this year despite us moving past it in many ways,
    Is it an end all? No. But over a million total deaths here says it’s not nothing either.
    I haven’t gotten it, and for me I’m not particularly concerned if I do, I am in good health not over 65, it will likely just be a crappy few days. But lots of people can’t say the same. Nor can the long Covid folks. And if you knew you spread it to someone who died from it, could you really live with that? Honest question, not a bait or gotcha. Because I couldn’t. So I do what I can to do right by myself and others. And no I don’t wear a mask when I go out unless it’s a doctors office. I’ve been to bars, restaurants friends places etc. I don’t live as a shut in. But I think we can all find a balance between the two sides.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    I would not cal these shots vaccines at this point either. Maybe a potential therapeutic. I would have told my parents to take the shot if they did not have Covid in July of 2020. Once natural immunity was ignored…there was no way I would take one based on the data and risk of the disease to me.

    My mom just had Covid again. Not sure why she tested. But she did. 67 years old unvaccinated and just a cold. Of course she had her previous bout and natural immunity.

    Funny thing is my dad was going to get the jab for travel purposes. But then the coercion and ignoring of science led him to then rational decision to not get the shot since he already had Covid.
     
  4. duggers_dad

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    Did she test out of curiosity ?
     
  5. QGator2414

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    “And if you knew you spread it to someone who died from it, could you really live with that?”

    What kind of question is this? Ask yourself. Do you think people just go out and chill with people when they are sick and try to get others sick? These shots do not stop you from spreading it if you get it.

    Hope you continue to avoid it.
     
  6. QGator2414

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    Yes. As I mentioned. I am not sure why. Think she just wanted to know. I told her she had it.
     
  7. duggers_dad

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    The ugliest implication of germ theory is that you come to regard others as deadly disease vectors. It’s hideous, vomitous.
     
  8. oragator1

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    you start transmitting a day or 2 before you show symptoms. In fact in many cases that’s when you’re most contagious.

    Faculty Research: COVID-19 Transmissibility Study | SPH

    And yes, the odds of contracting and getting seriously ill are higher without a shot.
    COVID vaccines slash risk of spreading Omicron — and so does previous infection

    So I asked the (admittedly worst case) question to make a point. This disease isn’t one person in the abstract from everyone and everything else. Your actions (and mine) can impact others, even when we are well intentioned. So for me, it makes sense to try and minimize that risk, more for others than me while balancing “having a life”.
    Jmo.
     
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  9. QGator2414

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    The way to minimize risk is to avoid hanging out with people when you are sick. Same thing we have done for centuries…
     
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  10. Swamplizard

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    We all know a “Covid virgin,” or “Novid,” someone who has defied all logic in dodging the coronavirus. But beyond judicious caution, sheer luck, or a lack of friends, could the secret to these people’s immunity be found nestled in their genes? And could it hold the key to fighting the virus?

    I know quite a few people who have never had the virus



    The Mystery of Why Some People Don’t Get Covid
     
  11. duggers_dad

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    My secret for never having gotten Covid ...

    I never tested.
     
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  13. gator95

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    Dying with Covid, not from covid. We'd have hundreds of thousands of deaths from the flu if we counted flu deaths the same way as we count covid deaths. When one doesn't differentiate between dying of covid and with covid, then they aren't really having a serious conversation.
     
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  14. gator95

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    Still doing this crap? Dying "with" covid versus dying of covid are 2 different things that some people just don't seem to be able to grasp. Anyone not seeing the difference has an ulterior motive or is just plain obtuse.
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    In a world of Covid, garden variety expulsive symptoms were told to go to the rear.
     
  16. mdgator05

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    We count flu deaths based on an estimate not because testing and assigning death to flu would overestimate flu deaths but because it would underestimate flu deaths. The general consensus amongst public health experts is that more people die from undiagnosed diseases than are assigned false causes of death (i.e., Type II errors are more common than Type I errors).
     
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  17. gator95

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    Yes, we do, but we sure don't go back and see if they had the flu anytime in the past 30/90/ever(for a period of time covid did this) days and count anyone who died as a flu deaths. Those numbers would be huge.
     
  18. duggers_dad

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    FYI: there is no flu virus either such as to kill people. It’s just a wastebasket term for common expulsion symptoms.
     
  19. mdgator05

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    As pointed out many times, Covid deaths are counted based upon death certificates. It is based upon the physician's judgment of how deaths occurred. If you have a Covid case where somebody tested positive and went through a cascade of symptoms originating at that moment afterwards that led to their death 30 days after receiving a positive test, that is a reasonable cause of death (likely accompanied by a more proximate cause or causes- such as pneumonia and/or heart failure). If they had a case, then got better, and died of something unrelated, that would be a Type II error. However, there is no evidence as to how common Type II errors are in Covid mortality reporting compared to Type I errors. As such, it is not reasonable to assume that Type II errors are more common than Type I errors without evidence to actually untangle both types of errors.
     
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  20. gator95

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    So, if hardly no one is in the ICU because of covid, then why so many covid deaths?

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