Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

This study showed 2 doses against infection in kids mirrors 2 doses in adults. But a third booster has a similar effect. This study also looked at infection as its main driver, but does also mention protection from severe cases as well. From your link:

For mRNA vaccines including BNT162b2, estimated VE against severe disease and hospitalization has been higher and waned more slowly than estimated VE against infection among adolescents and adults during Delta predominance25 and Omicron predominance.21,22 While estimated VE against symptomatic infection is an important end point to inform nonpharmaceutical intervention policy decisions and can provide an early warning signal of declining VE, estimated VE against severe disease is needed for children and adolescents during Omicron variant predominance.
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In other words, the vaccine protection against infection wanes quickly. But protection against severe cases does not. And this protection is important.

 

Some of us have known this was coming for 2+ years. Others had their head in the sand.

Pandemic babies are now toddlers with delayed development. Here's why.


A study published in the United Kingdom in May found similarly troubling trends among slightly older kids: Teachers of children in the lowest primary grades reported an increase in behavior such as biting and hitting, as well as in difficulties being in large groups. The 4- and 5-year-olds studied were less likely to meet the expected levels of development in 2021 than before the pandemic, the authors concluded.

 

As I said… you keep boosting with an archaic drug designed for the ancestral variant that is long gone if your risk tolerance dictates it.

 

Just get jabbed and jab your kid at no risk with a new technology that has no long term data. I understand some live life in fear. But there is no concept of rational thought when it comes to Covid with the propaganda that has been used for some. Most of us are in far more danger when we get in a car today. Especially kids.

If these people want their kids to be lab rats…that is a decision they get to live with. My kids will be nowhere close to these drugs at this time.

 

Why do we insist on blaming pandemic mitigation strategies for piss poor parenting?

 

And why wouldn't one want to lower his/her risk of severe COVID and significantly lower the risk of hospitalization or death? Yes, your risk may already be low, but the vaccine has shown time and time again to lower it even further. I'll use the seatbelt analogy again. My risk of dying in a car accident is low. But why not lower it even further by clicking my seatbelt?

As for being a lab rat, that's funny. The vaccine contains the same mRNA strand that is in the virus. If this mRNA strand can potentially cause long term problems, then everyone infected with COVID will all be in the same boat as those vaccinated. Likely significantly higher problems for those infected, because the vaccine contains one strand, versus the millions of viral cells all with the same mRNA that is a COVID infection.

As for the non-active ingredients in the vaccine. They are all organic compounds, well known to man, designed to keep the mRNA from breaking down too quickly. These organic compounds, along with the mRNA, all do break down and leave the body within about 12 hours of being jabbed. The chances of long term problems from the inactive ingredients of the vaccine are also extremely low.

But if you feel the need to fear monger, go right ahead. I've found information and knowledge is usually the best way to combat fear, and maybe you should first understand what's in the vaccine before you fear what it might do to you.

 

I am not the one fear mongering. I continue to advocate for people to make decisions based on their risk assessment.

 

Is this not you?

With knowledge and data come rational thought. Without it, comes guesses and fear. Knowledge tells us what's in the vaccine. Data tells us that it's safe and effective at preventing hospitalizations and death. Your fear is that a new technology with no long term data could have possible, long-term side effects. But knowledge and data tells us this chance of this is infinitesimal. Hence, you are fear mongering.

As for risk assessment, isn't lowering it for outcomes such as ending up in the hospital or the morgue a good thing? No matter how low the risk is already, lowering it should be considered beneficial. The vaccine does exactly this for all eligible age groups. If you are telling people to make decisions based on their risk assessment, you should be telling all to get vaccinated. It lowers risk the hospitalization and death. And again, no data has been produced that shows otherwise.

 

Yes.

That would be my sarcasm to show how ridiculous the vaccinate only crowd is…who are the actual fear mongers. I think you know that. That said…you might be so controlled that you were not able to understand that context and sarcasm.

I have always been it should be one’s choice. If your risk tolerance dictates you take one of these drugs go for it. It is not necessary for most. But…

 

Sorry I missed the sarcasm font!

I'm for vaccination because the data supports it. Every study published has shown the vaccine reduces the risk of hospitalization and death. Who wouldn't advocate for that? In addition, the vaccine does help prevent the spread of the disease. Stop it? No, but again, the large Canadian study shows spread is significantly faster among the unvaccinated.

So, if we want less sick people with COVID, less spread, less hospitalizations, and less deaths, the answer is the vaccine. Honestly don't understand the fear among those who don't understand this.

 

No one is arguing that if you're healthier you're not likely to have better outcomes from infectious disease. But saying the best way is to be healthy as the way to fight a pandemic spread of disease misunderstands the dangers of infectious disease, especially from a novel virus, and pandemic in pandemic spread. It's magical thinking in a pandemic, which is an acute situation. Long term pop health is about long-term. This difference is sorta like the difference between addressing an impending hurricane vs addressing climate change.

I'd add that the paradigm of our healthcare system is not structured to get people healthy per se, but to treat illness. And even if we wanted to greatly improve pop health, outside of this acute situation, our capitalism driven western diet ensures that far greater pop health will not be achieved. It is driving the obesity train & the many metabolic disorders associated with it. And shortening avg lifespan.

How do you change that in a pandemic?

I've written enough about how wrong you are about vaccines. I'm done with it. Anyway, that Fauci video from 2019 was not about a pandemic. I can see why you are confused.

 

since april 1st the death rate over 2 plus months is .45,fwiw. 5,235,020 new cases, 23,661 reported deaths

 

A great thing.
The spread is down/covid likely endemic.
2/3rds of the pop vaxxed.
Newer variants less lethal.

 

yet people still hide in their houses like it just began, time to live your lives.

 

Are they though? I don't know anyone like that.

But even if there are some and I don't know if that is true, there are good reasons for those w/comorbidities and in general to take some precautions.

 

Lionel Messi has problems form his infection

 

These drugs are not slowing the spread. The disease is not that dangerous to most. People have moved on. There are a few still pressing. But the GBD continues to be proven more and more correct every day. And it supported vaccination…focused.

 

The fauci video was about infectious disease. Like Covid. But you keep thinking an archaic drug designed for an ancestral variant that is long gone is your answer. The data has shown how it has failed. The same groups of people have died vaccinated and unvaccinated. The drug did not slow the spread. Thanks to the idiot public health narrative we had Covid positive people out with delta thinking they had allergies or something else.

 

The data has not shown the vaccine has failed. Your interpretation of raw data is the failure. Your proof is an equal number of vaccinated and unvaccinated deaths in the UK and claim the vaccine isn't working, without taking into account the vaxxed population is 9X or more then the unvaxxed.

Here's a little math to show your failure. Group A has 90 members. Group B has 10. To get 5 deaths from each group, Group A gives 5.5% of its members, but Group B 50%. Really think it's equal? Or would you rather be in Group A? Group A is the vaccinated group, by the way.

This is why every published study show the vaccine prevents hospitalization and death. They don't grossly misinterpret raw data like you do. Also why there is no single published study that supports you in saying the vaccine doesn't work.

You are also wrong when you state the vaccine doesn't slow the spread. Stop it? No. But again, studies like the Canadian one show the vaccine slows the spread.

Being healthy is important. And a healthy person is less likely to have health issues. But it's no guarantee, especially with a novel virus. Plenty of young, healthy people who struggled with COVID. Almost all unvaccinated.

 

There are countless viruses that can cause infection. Heck, the common cold is associated w/200 known viruses, over 30 of which are coronaviruses. What made Covid different is it was a zoonotic novel animal virus for which we humans we had no immunity or early on, no treatments or vaccines and ntm it skyrocketed to global pandemic spread in only a few short months. Fauci was speaking about the flu which is seasonal & endemic. And again, being healthy is a good thing. It's not, however, a strategy for combating pandemic spread of a novel virus at the population level because you can't just get a population healthy.

Like I wrote earlier, I'm done discussing your vaccine misinfo.