Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

The Charlatan above dismisses the risk of myocarditis as if it's nothing. Plus, they don't know for sure if those kids who died that were without underlying conditions had an undisclosed condition. Let alone if Covid was the real culprit. Again, if your child has underlying conditions it's a smart move to get vaxxed. Otherwise, no, especially boys. The risk of myocarditis is too high. When someone refuses to acknowledge the risks, don't believe them. I do believe a handful of children in the US died from covid without an underlying condition. But there have been kids who died after getting the vaccine as well.

COVID-19 Vaccination

 

You see, when they say no big deal vaxxing kids, they are lying. Here is the proof.

So to prevent 21 covid hospitalizations they want to cause 156 Myocarditis hospitalizations. Brilliant!.

 

Try reading slowly this this. The risk of myocarditis exists from vaccination, but the risk of myocarditis from COVID infection is higher than the risk from the vaccine. Please explain how this is refusing to acknowledge the risks? Want to know a definition of know acknowledging risks? Dismissing the fact that the vaccine can prevent 67% of pediatric hospitalizations and likely over 100 US pediatric deaths.

As for not knowing if your kid has an underlying condition, all the more reason to get vaccinated to protect them. Not all underlying conditions show themselves early, and symptoms aren't always so obvious. And what difference does this make to the parent of the kid who died? Should they feel better that their kid had an undiagnosed pre-existing condition that was a contributing cause to their kid's death?

Last, here are the top two bullet points from your link:

• COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective and severe reactions after vaccination are rare.
• CDC recommends everyone ages 5 years and older get vaccinated as soon as possible to protect against COVID-19 and its potentially severe complications.

 

Source and date for this chart, please. I expect it was looking at June, 2021 levels of COVID, which were low due to the first rush of vaccination. Here's an article explaining what I believe this chart is showing. The article is also stating that the benefits of vaccinating kids outweigh the risks, by the way.

However, the researchers noted, if the rate of Covid-19 was to fall to levels seen in June 2021, there would be more vaccine-associated myocarditis cases than Covid-19 hospitalizations. But even then, the FDA staff said, given the more severe nature of Covid-19 hospitalization, “the overall benefits of the vaccine may still outweigh the risks under this low-incidence scenario.”
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Of course, the article I linked is dated Oct, 2021, before the wave of Omicron changed everything. And by January, 2022, we saw a meteoric rise in COVID pediatric hospitalizations. Basically, with Omicron, it is likely it made the above chart moot, because we didn't fall to June, 2021 COVID levels. Instead, we jumped to unprecedented levels due to Omicron being so contagious.

One last point. During the Omicron wave, which saw a major increase in pediatric COVID hospitalizations, 87% in this study were unvaccinated. That's 345 kids, that if the vaccine is 67% effective at preventing hospitalizations, would have prevented 230 from a hospital visit.

 

WARNING: Anti-Vaxxers, stop reading here so that your heads do not explode.

Real world data from over 1 million patients showed that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine provided terrific efficacy against hospitalization from the BA.4 and BA.5 lineages in the 5th Covid wave in South Africa. A simple 2-shot regiment did drop to 63% at 6 months out, but the first booster (shot 3) returned efficacy against hospitalization to 88%.

Pfizer jab shows its calibre in fifth wave, Discovery analysis shows

 

Veru, a Miami based pharmaceutical, has filed for an EUA with the FDA for its comb anti-viral, anti-inflammatory drug to treat patients wtih moderate to severe COVID-19 and at-risk for developing respiratory distress.

COVID-19 tracker: Moderna tees up bivalent booster for fall season

 

Moderna reporting higher neutralizing anti-bodies against Omicron for its bi-valent vaccine candidate M1273.214. Other than for marketing, however, it is unclear what data like this means. How do we know what a sufficiently high level of neutralizing anti-bodies is?? That data would be far more useful than more marketing of vaccine shots which we likely don't need since we will probably find out that there is no improvement in longterm immunity against severe illness or death.

Moderna eyes fall vaccine season for omicron booster after phase 2/3 success

 

Do not fear my friends…the annual Covid shot is coming if you want it. Like the flu shot they will guess at a few strains and hope. I suspect a similar 40%ish efficacy.

We are going to dumb down the requirements for approval to appease the shot happy is my guess. Not good for medicine. Real good for big pharma.

 

Do you know why the flu vaccine is only 40% to 50% effective? It's because there are 4 different virus strains, each with variants, that all cause the "flu." The CDC needs to take its best guess at to which strains will be most prevalent, and that's how it creates the vaccine. Against the strains the vaccine actually protects against, protection against infection is usually in the low 90% range.

Right now, there is only one COVID virus, with a number of variants. If we can improve the vaccine to work to protect against Omicron infection, we can include that along with the original vaccine, and get a real boost. Still, the current vaccine does a great job at preventing hospitalization and death against all current variants, including Omicron. No reason not to get jabbed.

 

Does anyone else remember when he was telling us we needed to stop wasting our time with old vaccines and come up with new vaccines for the new variants. Then started mocking the new vaccines for the new variants. Good times.

 

“We need to be focusing on the next generation of these new drugs instead of ones designed to stop the alpha variant”

derp derp derp.

 

They even made a vaccine that’s not mRNA for the dummies who were protesting that it’s not a “vaccine.”

I’m sure they’ll move goalposts again and continue to be complete idiots by not taking it.

 

Your "healthy person" obsession completely misses the danger of infectious disease as one that is transmissible between people, regardless of how healthy they are. So while it's great to be healthy for the most obvious of reasons that no one is arguing against, the spread of infectious disease is what public health experts have tried to limit, to limit harm and death.

You bought into the GBD and repeated that thinking over and over again, but left out that even the authors recognized that vaccinations were part of their goal. But they could not adequately explain how to protect the most vulnerable in any realistic way while letting everyone just live freely as if there wasn't this spread of a deadly disease. Nor could they explain the trade off in allowing people to get sick or die in order to achieve herd immunity in a pandemic where there is an uncontrolled spread & where people did not have immunity.

You ignored this several times when I've asked you straight up, just repeating your talking points. We get it, you are a big freedom fighter. All well and good. But you're fooling yourself over your understanding of the nature of infectious disease spread & vaccines as experts understand them.

 

The best way to fight infectious diseases is to be healthy. The fauc even knows this. You can watch him explain it in 2019.

Taking a drug that does not stop the spread is pretty meaningless for healthy people when it comes to covid at this point. Now your risk tolerance might be different and you bubble wrap yourself every time you leave the house. But…

 

i was wondering the same thing. Will the antivaxxers run to get this non - mRNA vaccine? I won’t hold my breath.

 

Your odds are better if you're young and healthy. But there are plenty of stories of young, under 40, athletic types who had serious COVID complications. This link is from a time before the vaccine. Had the vaccine been available, and these people jabbed, they would've been likely spared any serious complications.

Even if the case is mild, long COVID can impact young, healthy people. The vaccine can help. It's not huge, but the vaccine prevents 15% of long COVID cases.

Then there is the Washington State data. Unvaccinated under 34 are 2X more likely to be hospitalized. Been this way for weeks.

 

If you risk tolerance dictates you take a drug that does not stop you from getting the disease that is not dangerous to you…go for it.

 

Again, JAMA case-negative control study found Pfizer vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection in children age 12 to 15 dropped to zero in 4 months and went negative (vaxed more likely to have symptomatic infection than unvaxed) at 7 months. This debunks anything about getting the vaccine. Increased risk of myocarditis with the shots, zero reduction in deaths. Simple as that.

BNT162b2 Vaccination and Symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 in Children During Omicron Predominance

 

I have largely stayed out of the children/vaccine discussions since we have no children. I do wonder, given the timing of this paper, and since they did not say in the paper, what were the concentrations of the child doses? The results read out much like Pfizer's own results, which initially delayed them seeking approval. More recent results were with a more concentrated vaccine (much more similar to Moderna) and the short term results were better? Just surprised those details were not spelled out in a paper published in JAMA.

Thanks for posting though, interesting data.

 

The benefit is a reduction in the risk of a severe case requiring hospitalization or worse, death. A risk reduction that has been proven over and over again by many scientific papers and studies. With no studies that show different results, as I've asked you to provide them multiple times.

So, even if my risk of hospitalization or death is already low, why wouldn't I want to lower it even more?

Oh, and your statement the vaccine does nothing to prevent the spread is false. I reference the large Canadian study that showed larger spread among the unvaccinated, and other studies, previously linked showing a minimum 30% prevention of cases among the fully vaccinated with Omicron. Not the 90% from the wild type, but certainly not zero either.