Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Can you imagine the level of pride and arrogance needed to declare that those who have spent decades studying and practicing statistics aren't as good at interpeting data as some guy who has been running a small office for a few years?

 

The THFSG rules on the repetitive posting of lethal misinformation:

 

GOOH with your fear nonsense.

Your great virtue is doing more damage to public health than helping. But carry on…

 

Discount reality all you want. As with anything. You can find the answers you want. There is a lot of garbage out there. Studies included. From both sides.

 

Can you provide links to any studies showing the rates of death or hospitalization aren't lower for the vaccinated as compared to the unvaccinated?

 

It is not hard with google.

“Our findings indicate that two doses of vaccination with BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 are insufficient to give adequate levels of protection against infection with the omicron variant and mild disease”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2119451

Most of the studies out there are not good. As we destroyed the ability to have good control groups. But there is little doubt we need a new generation of these drugs at this point. But people can certainly boost away with the current ancestral drugs if they want…

 

Well, this shows what some don't want to see with regard to Omicron.

 

Why? This has been pretty well documented. I see no isse with showing the truth. However, if this graph were to be complete, it would plot infection-drven immunity, ie immunity from previous SARS-CoV-2 variant also dropped significantly against Omincron in preventing disease. However, in all cases, efficacy against severe disease death was still greatly improved by being vaccinated or having immunity from surviving previous infection.

 

And also that a third dose considerably improved protection.

 

You were asked to show efficacy of the vaccines against hospitalization and death. This link doesn't show this at all. It discusses only infection. Do you have anything that actually answers the first question? Because there are multiple studies that show just how effective the vaccines are against hospitalization and death.

 

At no point do I want to take a drug that makes me more likely to get infected. That's just me.

 

@QGator2414, do you need help understanding the difference between COVID infection, COVID hospitalizations, and COVID deaths? You were asked to provide a link that shows the vaccine does not help with COVID hospitalizations and deaths. Your link only looked at infections, and said nothing to the efficacy of the vaccine preventing hospital stays and deaths.

Maybe you don't understand the differences? But if you do, your link is a complete failure in showing the vaccine does not prevent hospitalizations and deaths. Do you have one that actually does?

Last, raw numbers are not acceptable. Because raw numbers require analysis. For example, if 100% of a population was vaccinated and there a death, then 100% of the population would show death among the vaccinated.

 

Which leads to yet another response and posting of the disinformation. If nobody responded to these clowns and just ignore them they would likely give up. Instead all of you continue to pollute the thread with this repetitive nonsense.

 

We do not have good studies. We decided not to do large randomized studies with proper control groups. You keep thinking these drugs are working and put them in yourself, kids and grandkids with ancestral spike protein.

 

7 day death averages continue to drop, from 598 on april 1st to 251 yesterday. overall average is 1.21, fwiw

 

We have plenty of studies that show the efficacy of the vaccine keeping people out of the hospital and morgue. You just think they aren't good studies because they don't show the results that back your opinion.

Here's a large study published in The Lancet that looks at all cases over almost a full year in the UK, comparing Omicron with Delta, and looking at hospitalizations and deaths between the two variants. From the study:

The largest reductions in vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in breakthrough cases were seen for people who had not received a booster dose, particularly for those who had received the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine for their primary vaccination series (figure 3). However, relative protection (vs unvaccinated) against hospital admission with omicron in breakthrough cases remained above 70% (HR <0·3) for all vaccination categories that included a booster dose (adjusted HR for hospital admission 8–11 weeks post-booster vs unvaccinated 0·22 [95% CI 0·20–0·24]; appendix pp 8–9). [emphasis added]
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That's significant protection against hospitalization, over a very long period, looking at hundreds of thousands of cases. And the study showed the vaccine was a 3X protection from hospitalization.

But I'm sure you'll ignore or dismiss this, because it doesn't fit your narrative. It was only published in one of the most prestigious medical journals in the world, looked at hundreds of thousand of cases, and three vaccines, the AZ, Pfizer, and Moderna. But you don't like the data, so it must not be a good study. Am I right!

 

You left out the next sentence. The one that said that boosters provide protection that wanes over time. The study supports vaccination and boosting because it shows that two doses don’t necessarily preclude mild disease, but boosting does. Of course, again, the UK uses Astra Zeneca. Which was not approved here.

 

Table 3 shows effectiveness of the vaccine against symptomatic disease as compared to being unvaccinated. All the numbers are positive, even the worst performing combinations of vaccine and time, still showed that those who were vaccinated were less likely to get sick than those who were unvaccinated.

 

You want to keep pumping yourself with an ancestral drug when we need the next generation. Go for it!