Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

going to see the mountain goats tonight at 1 of 2 non profit music venues owned by the music loving billionaire Pat Stryker. They STILL require masks. Great venue, but has always been uptight. Buddy of mine ordered a shot & they said we don’t serve shots. He said, ok, I’ll have a Makers neat which of course he shot

 

Study in Canada finds that unvaccinated people mingling with vaccinated increase the risk to the vaccinated and recommends that vulnerable vaccinated people wear masks on public. Last month. I didn’t see this one.
Unvaccinated Raise COVID-19 Risk Among Vaccinated

 

Here is the peer reviewed published study. The study conducted different interactions among vaccinated people with other who are vaccinated; unvaxxed with unvaxxed; vaxxed with unvaxed. The results, as expected, corroborate the outcomes of the age controlled outcome studies. Showing again, that the anti-vax disinformation has been dangerous; it made people sick and killed them
Impact of population mixing between vaccinated and unvaccinated subpopulations on infectious disease dynamics: implications for SARS-CoV-2 transmission

We found that the risk of infection was markedly higher among unvaccinated people than among vaccinated people under all mixing assumptions. The contact-adjusted contribution of unvaccinated people to infection risk was disproportionate, with unvaccinated people contributing to infections among those who were vaccinated at a rate higher than would have been expected based on contact numbers alone. We found that as like-with-like mixing increased, attack rates among vaccinated people decreased from 15% to 10% (and increased from 62% to 79% among unvaccinated people), but the contact-adjusted contribution to risk among vaccinated people derived from contact with unvaccinated people increased.

Interpretation: Although risk associated with avoiding vaccination during a virulent pandemic accrues chiefly to people who are unvaccinated, their choices affect risk of viral infection among those who are vaccinated in a manner that is disproportionate to the portion of unvaccinated people in the population.


Vaccinated people were, as expected, at markedly lower risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection during the epidemic; however, when random mixing with unvaccinated people occurred, they decreased attack rates in the unvaccinated people, by serving as a buffer to transmission. As populations became more separate with progressively increasing like-with-like mixing, final epidemic sizes declined in vaccinated people, but rose in unvaccinated people because of the loss of buffering via interaction with vaccinated people. Many opponents of vaccine mandates have framed vaccine adoption as a matter of individual choice. However, we found that the choices made by people who forgo vaccination contribute disproportionately to risk among those who do get vaccinated.

Increased mixing between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups increased final epidemic size among vaccinated people; conversely, more like-with-like mixing decreased final epidemic size among vaccinated people but resulted in enhancement of the degree to which risk among vaccinated people could be attributed to unvaccinated people. The fact that this excess contribution to risk cannot be mitigated by high like-with-like mixing undermines the assertion that vaccine choice is best left to the individual and supports strong public actions aimed at enhancing vaccine uptake and limiting access to public spaces for unvaccinated people, because risk cannot be considered “self-regarding.” 35 There is ample precedent for public health regulation that protects the wider community from acquisition of communicable diseases, even if this protection comes at a cost of individual freedom.36,37 We also note that the use of legal and regulatory tools for the prevention of behaviours and practices that create risk for the wider public also extend beyond communicable infectious diseases, such as statutes that limit indoor cigarette smoking.21–23

 

not making fun of him per se,. just pointing out the fact that people just refuse to acknowledge, that being 2 or 3 or 4 times vaxed does not keep you from getting it, a fact some just will not move from.

 

Did you read the study from Canada? Or are you going to continue to spread disinformation. Sadly, not getting vaxxed increases the risk to others in all categories. Getting vaxxed reduces the risk to others in all categories. And not being vaxxed increases the risk to the unvaxxed, too.

Not to mention the studies of disease outcomes, which show exponentially less severe disease from vaccination.

You, and others, can take comfort in the harm you have caused to others through the disinformation you have spread.

People got sick, suffered sometimes permanently, and died from that disinformation.

 

Sad how many fire and police have suffered and died needlessly out of some sense of machismo. Leading cause of police and fire dept deaths for 2 years running. And they continue to ignore it for some unknown reason

 

It's frustrating to see the denial and vaccine hesitancy in our ranks. People have become brainwashed by their political views.

 

I think me and the wife probably need our second booster. Going to check with my primary. Uptick has me concerned a little.

 

This is why I stay vocal.

No doubt we had a real virus and real pandemic.

But that does not change the fact we handled this awfully. Public health failed. And it did so with propaganda. Which leads to thoughts like this.

Life is not as simple as the propaganda sells…

 

There has always been some irrationality about vaccines (and rational hesitancy) and a lot of misunderstanding about the nature of infectious disease.

But what separates us now compared to people in earlier eras is the amount of good information that we can have access to (and the incredible amount of science that occurred with covid already).

So to me it boils down to how incredibly effective politically driven misinfo & disinfo has been. There has been no shortage of snake oil salesman capitalizing on this pandemic and pitching their garbage to a slice of the population that was already politically primed for the mis & disinfo that they got bombarded with.

 

Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count

The difference in death rates is striking. Vermont is highest 82% fully vaxed, and has the lowest death rate since the beginning of 104/100k. Mississippi and Alabama have lowest vax rates at about 51%, and have death rates per 100k of over 400/100k. 4 times as high.

Compare neighboring AZ and CA. AZ has vax rate of about 62% vs CA 73%. AZ death rate 400+/100k vs CA 230/ 100k

Vaccines were only available for about half of that time.

 

Who is claiming that being vaccinated confers 100% immunity to the virus?

 

This time around it is highly partisan. Prior vaccine hesitancy was not necessarily partisan and existed in both parties. Being a Republican/conservative is literally killing people.

 

. You confuse science with propaganda. You don’t know truth from BS. You have been spewing it long enough. So here is the reality: the falsehoods you and others have spewed about vaccines have harmed people. You skipped over the latest study that refutes your disinformation to post your reason for not keeping silent. Your voice and the voice of so many others have hurt a lot of people who made the mistake of listening.

 

Can we re-title this thread to "Q and Buck's Attention Seeking Bad Takes?" and start a new one dedicated to developments in covid policy and science?

 

Just see the post right before yours for a perfect example.

 

Looking at those numbers, one would have to strongly consider the possibility that the vaccines have been highly effective, and that if more people were vaccinated fewer would have died.

 

You have spoken. And I no longer give a shit what you think. It used to be cute and funny. No longer.

 

then block me mr. sheep

 

. How about the study I found that contradicts the garbage that you have been posting here for more than a year about the vaccines? Are you just going to ignore it. It isn’t going away.