Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

What? Do deaths over 50 not count?

My guess is that many people will change their tune if the next variant (or next pandemic) mostly kills people under 50.

 

healthy, young 9 year old girl now has lost both parents to covid. Is that dangerous for her?

 

Agreed. And like you…I am glad my kids were kept as far away from these new drugs they did not need. It no issues with those that want them.

 

Your reply was to a reply to a reply that was blasting dems for being hypocrites. Sorry if the 2 degrees of freedom from your reply somehow made it appear you were supporting the blasting of dems as hypocrites.

 

Which vaccines are 100% effective?

 

It is terrible. Whether it be Covid. A car wreck. Heart attack. Cancer. Losing a parent or parents is awful.

 

This graph shows COVID deaths by vaccination status and age group, from April 2021 (when the vaccine became widespread) through Oct, 2021. Yes, there aren't many deaths for those under 50, but there is almost no spike in vaccinated deaths for those 50-64, and a miniscule number of vaccinated deaths below 50, whereas there are noticeable lines for unvaccinated deaths for the 18-29 and 30-49 age groups. For those 50 and older, the graph speaks for itself.



The vaccine is about risk reduction. Similar to wearing a seatbelt, or a bullet proof vest for LEOs. It's not going to guarantee your safety, but the odds increase if/when you are vaccinated, or wear a seatbelt.

The damage is not coming from those who advocate for the vaccine. The data should speak for itself. The damage is coming from those who are too stupid, or too stubborn to believe data like the above graph is true. They are fostering not only a dislike, but a true disdain for medical professionals, especially when they don't say what they want to hear. Which is dangerous, because COVID won't be the last virus health crisis we face.

 

Yes. I wasn’t suggesting otherwise. What I was saying was that vaxxed or un-vaxxed people with Omicron were not dying and few were even hospitalized in our hospital.

 

And totally preventable if her parents were vaccinated. Big difference from others you quoted

 

Excellent observations from the graph. The vaccines seem to be especially effective for those under 50.

 

You don’t know that.

A far better way to protect oneself from Covid or any disease for that matter is to be healthy. Is that a sure answer to avoiding a bad outcome? No.

Eventually you will understand how complicated the body is. You can do everything right. And die. You can do everything wrong and live. But being healthy is the number one way to fight disease. Unfortunately people refuse to accept this and want to take drugs first no questions asked. That is fine. But when a person is low risk…it is just as fine to not force your body into an action that is not necessary.

 

The vaccine triggers the body's immune response. The only way this response would ever be unnecessary is if a person never encountered the pathogen the vaccine is supposed to protect. With a virus like COVID, that's almost impossible, unless you live like a hermit and never see anyone.

The vaccine induced immune response is considerably safer than contracting the virus. Again, look at the graph comparing COVID mortality rates at all ages. At every age group, vaccinated groups survived at a higher rate than the unvaccinated. There is no other way to read the graph.

I agree with you that being healthy wards off many diseases, such as Type II diabetes, heart disease, and others. But communicable viruses infect both the healthy and the unhealthy. And while the risk might be lower in the healthy, all data shows the vaccine reduces the risk for all.

 

it's a miracle i tell you

 

The body is fully capable to handle Covid if young and healthy. It has been from the beginning when the more dangerous variants that attacked deeper in the lungs were dominant as well. I understand some have a lower risk tolerance and/or prefer drugs for a potential therapeutic response. Others do not. The healthy unvaccinated person is in far less danger than the unhealthy obese vaccinated person.

 

So you are making the case that the chart above that shows all age rates, there is greater risk of death from the unvaccinated versus the vaccinated is really showing that vaccinated people are all healthy, and the unvaccinated are all unhealthy? How else do you explain the chart?

I'd argue a healthy 25 year old who is unvaccinated has a better chance at surviving than an unhealthy, vaccinated 75 year old. But again, the chart shows, at every age group, the vaccinated fare better. Same data with hospitalizations. This can't all be explained by health.

 

I am arguing being healthy is the optimal way to fight disease.

From there people have options. Unfortunately we have caused major harm to public health. Our public health policy and push has been an abject disaster. Pushing a drug people do not need. The healthy 25 year old is at basically zero risk. Yet we sat here and coerced a bunch of them to take a drug they did not need depending on the job they might have. These public health idiots need to be fired. Tarred. And feathered. That way we hopefully won’t make these mistakes again.

Glad you understand now that healthy people are at very little risk. The risk gradient for this disease has been known. Yet so many pushed unnecessarily these drugs on people who did not want or need them. Now we have to start rebuilding the damage done.

 

Perhaps an adult could assist the poster with charts. LOL Or honesty. Or compassion. Or empathy. SMH

 

If you want to make the argument that in today's society, too many people are looking for a magic pill from their doc to make things all better versus living a healthy life, I'm there with you. Top two causes of death are cancer and heart disease, and generally, you can limit your risk for both if you eat well and exercise. But infectious diseases are different. They are likely going to infect you and possibly cause damage regardless of how healthy you are.

And while 99.9% of all infectious diseases we know how to treat, novel diseases like the coronavirus do come about every once in a while. When it started to spread, we really had no idea how to treat COVID, how it would effect people, long term effects of getting sick, if any, and certainly, not how to beat it.

While it was likely COVID would affect the elderly worse than the young, that's not a given. There are some diseases that the young have a much more difficult time of fending off. Like pneumonia or malaria. If the next novel virus is more like these diseases, the results will be catastrophic, especially when there are people like you who are saying the young and healthy need not worry. Or take vaccines.

The reality is, even if in general, the young and healthy were spared, there were plenty of exceptions. Including a study that looked at a pre-vaccine time period that studied over 3,000 COVID hospitalizations people 18 to 34. In the study, 87 of them died. Again, pre-vaccine, so not much we could do. But look at the graph again, and if the vaccine were available, how many would have been saved had they been fully vaccinated? Over 80, for sure, and maybe closer to 85 or 86.

Another thing about infectious diseases are they are, in fact, contagious. Even with Omicron, the vaccine did prevent people from getting sick. Fully vaxxed, about 15%, and fully vaxxed plus booster, 30% or higher. That's not as high against the wild type or Delta, but still not nothing. The more people with immunity, the lower the RO, the less the disease spreads, and faster a pandemic reaches endemic stages, and an endemic can end.

In addition, even if you are vaccinated and get a breakthrough case, you are going to recover days quicker than someone who is unvaccinated. Less time sick equates to lower viral load, which again, leads to less days contagious, and a lower RO. Meaning, there are less people who get sick overall.

Nobody is arguing against eating healthy and exercising. But against a novel, infectious disease? You can take your chances believing your health will get you through. Or, you can lower your risk through vaccination when it becomes available. And doing so, lowers the risk of those around you.