Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

I used hypothetical numbers to illustrate a point. The point and I think you may have missed it was that when the overwhelmingly majority of a population is vaccinated the number of deaths among the vaccinated can still be significantly higher than among the unvaccinated even though the probability of an unvaccinated person dying from the virus is much higher. The significant number isn't the total number of Covid deaths it's the probability of dying from the disease.

 

The percent of fully vaccinated people in the UK on Jan 31 was 72%…

COVID-19 vaccine Coronavirus - Google Search

The number of deaths in January 2022 by vaccination status Table 2…

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/pe...ary2022/referencetable20220316accessible.xlsx

 

The vaccination rate in the UK was 72% on January 31 of 2022.

In January 82% of the people who does with Covid were fully vaccinated.

I know this is hard to believe for some. But it is straight from Public Health England. Just posted the link. Table 2…

 

Oh the thing that none of this accounts for is health status.

Regardless of vaccination status…we know the high risk groups. Those groups have had the worst of Covid vaccinated or unvaccinated.

 

The overwhelming number of deaths are happening among the same groups since the beginning.

 

The rate differences are what matters. But go ahead keep digging that hole.

 

Q keeps using absolute numbers (counts) & percentages of the overall pop rather than rate differences between groups based on respective pops and thus, percentages of respective pops. This has to be deliberate bc this error has been pointed out to him numerous times.

To use Jan 2022 as an example, in the UK, unvaccinated had a death rate 5.2 times that of vaxxed (558.9 to 106.7 per 100k), but more vaxxed died in Jan 2022 (3.86k to 668k). However, fully vaxxed comprise nearly 75% of the UK population & nearly 79% w/1 dose. Ignoring this population size difference and thus rate differences is a fundamental mistake in comparing statistics of diff pop sizes.

 

And they use Asta Zeneca anyway. He knows the proper use of statistics. He will not even Andres what you post. Just repeat the same false conclusion. And ignore US data for the vaccines we use here.

 

I honestly don't get it.

Edit: Here are some numbers:

Over 78% of covid deaths since April 2021 have been of unvaxxed. It was 81% from Apr - Nov 2021 but decreased in Dec 2021 & Jan 2022 to about 66%, with most of the vaxxed who died from omicron being older folks (which is the case anyway but the # increased). This despite the percentages of vaxxed & unvaxxed being flipped. However, the rate of covid deaths among unvaxxed have been about 9 - 18x times of the vaxxed rate, which of course is to say that unvaxxed have been dying at a far higher rate, comprising over 90% of the combined rates.

 

I look at it this way....after 4-5 months protection against severe disease declined from 90% to 80%. That is likely a result of the very natural decline of the neutralizing antibodies over the first 4-5 months following the booster. However, T-Cell activity (as well as other parts of the immune system not easily understood by me) is still protecting the vast majority of people from severe disease.

Also, people are "watching research" unfold in almost real-time and evaluating results from in vitro studies (hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin benefits) vs meta data studies vs truly randomized, placebo controlled studies and looking to extrapolate similar types of conclusions from different types of data collection. It does not alway mesh.

However, back to my way of thinking, in this case, the two things a) decline in protection after 4-5 months following the booster and b) the longterm protection from severe disease as a result of T-cell activity are not inconsistent with each other.

Finally, almost everything we "know" at this point still has to be taken with an open mind since we are still only studying this virus, its disease and our immunological response for less than 3 year now. Data is constantly being collected and improved upon with better studies.

 

a lot of data floating around and easy to get confused. Here is one where it shows just over 50% against hospitalization for omicron after 5 months.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/11/covid-boosters-omicron-protection/

That’s still much better than nothing, but makes me wonder if the numbers will be high beyond a year.

 

The graphic shows risk of hospitalization at 78% after 4 months following the 3rd shot (which will be considered a full series in the very near future) and in the 50% range with just two shots if I am reading that correctly.

Again, people are going to admit that the 2nd shot was rushed. It did not allow for maturation and evolution of B/T cells.

Some of the Scandinavian countries are now setting 12 weeks as the correct window between first and second doses of the mRNA vaccines, with a 3rd shot of the primary series 6-8 months following the second.

We are going to find that this vaccine is going to be very, very similar to polio (4 shots as a child or 3 shots as an adult) or Hepatitus B (3 shots).

 

new 7 day average 23,890 lowest since july 12th last year. 7 day death average 470, lowest since july 30th last year, yet doom and gloomers still trumpet the next wave is coming, led by the guy who crawls out of his rabbit hole to cast misery on good news, next time he goes back in we need to cement that hole shut.

 

not a great picture of lord god you know who, but the ranting and raving fits.

 

I know not the US but things are getting tense again in China

Shanghai tightens COVID-19 control measures amid resurgence

 

yeah, real tense. a country with 1 billion people and a 7 day average of 11,500. china is the bs capital of the world in regards to anything.

 

Just curious, you use ( over use actually) the term “big government” and accuse everyone here of being for “big government” except the guys who actually ARE calling for complete government control. I find that odd. You continually use the term except when it’s actually called for.

Who is your idea of a politician that you would vote for that you don’t consider “big government”? Who did you vote for in the last election?

 

I will not be getting one unless/until I see an uptick in cases. No reason to if it wears off in 6 months as they have apparently found to be the case in the last booster. I predict we will be seeing calls for yearly vaccines like the flu.

FYI for those who care, overall COVID numbers have been low for a couple months with no severe new cases. The few we have are incidental to other medical problems.

 

i can’t believe you all are still debating him. I put him on ignore weeks ago and life is much better. I am not interested in discussing with anybody over a period of time who is completely unwilling to acknowledge what you post in response. He just repeats the same stuff over and over again.