Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Clearly he owns a funeral home.

 

So you say. It remains that monoclonals cannot explain away the far higher death rates among unvaccinated compared to vaccinated.

 

The cdc does not provide the data like the UK.

 

No. We don’t know.

Maybe I would be wrong and focused protection would have been a bad idea. We will never know.

But we do know the new drugs did nothing to stop Covid.

Should have focused on the high risk groups. Instead we went with coercion of low risk groups. Just dumb. Now we have no control groups to work with. Instead we keep calling for boosters for a drug designed for the spike protein of a variant long gone. And it continues to not stop Covid.

 

Even without being able to measure monoclonals or the pfizer pill effectiveness, it remains that the extremely large differences in death cannot be explained away by these treatments.

There are reasons why public health experts around the world rejected the GBD. It would have likely gotten a lot more people killed and there is no way to simply offer "focus protection" only for the most vulnerable, especially since there would be no reasonable way to isolate them from family and friends, work etc., not without limiting their freedoms while permitting the rest to live without any restrictions.

 

I don't know anyone over 60 that has not been vaxxed and boosted. My guess is 60 plus has a very high rate of being vaxxed. Like close to 100%. Especially in the UK. It doesn't matter which way your politics swing. If you have grey hair, you're vaxxed. I also believe those at risk are vaxxed and boosted at a very high percentage. Population size does not matter when the people over 60 and the compromised are at risk and all vaxxed. The vaxxed are dying from reinfection. Just a fact. And don't blame it on the unvaxxed. That is so stupid. We know for a fact people that people who got their 3 shots can get Covid again. We know for a fact that the vaxxed can spread Covid. To repeat again, the vaxxed and boosted are dying of Covid. Far more vaxxed have died.

 

Your claim was that they didn't provide hard data, which was the same claim you made about the UK back late last year. Both are untrue.

Now you're saying that the CDC don't provide data like the UK. Please explain what you mean.

 

We use Moderna here too and UK uses AstraZeneca, which we don’t. But, You can’t argue with him. Just stop. He knows better. He is smart enough to understand the statistics and probably took it, along with a lot of other math, in school. It is like Russia claiming their targets are not civilians when they are flattening cities. Liars with agendas will not acknowledge fact; they regurgitate propaganda. His agenda isn’t a scientific or statistical analysis. It is to spread the word of DeSantis the All Knowing.

 

Sure, people can get reinfected even if vaccinated but if you're commenting toward the UK (which was the basis for my post that you responded to), then while it's true more vaxxed haved died in the past six months than unvaxxed, the death rates are flipped; unvaxxed Brits are far more likely to die than vaxxed, with rates 5.2 to 9.3x higher since April 2021.

If you are speaking to the US, far more unvaxxed have died than vaxxed, with the difference in death rates even more staggering. Unvaxxed death rates in the US are 9x - 18x higher compared to vaxxed over that same time period. Bottom line is that there is simply no rational, data informed argument against vaccinations in protecting people from severe sickness or death, even for older people. The stupidity is in remaining unvaxxed. The tragic part of this story is how so many bought into the propaganda, with 100s of thousands dying on a hill of dis & misinfo.

 

Provide me hard numbers monthly data for the cdc…

Deaths unvaccinated/one dose/2nd dose within 14 days/two doses (fully vaccinated)/boostered

England provides that. Shoot in January they broke it down for 6 different ages divisions.

Assuming 100 people in England.

In January 72 were fully vaccinated and 28 were not.

In January 82 deaths with Covid were fully vaccinated (two or more shots outside the 14 days)/3 were partially vaccinated (had at least one shot)/15 were unvaccinated.

The US will not be be the same. We will have a slightly higher percentage of unvaccinated deaths because we have a lower vaccination rate. But it is a joke to think 9 in 10 deaths with Covid are unvaccinated right now.

 

I am talking of today. Not early 2020 or early 2021. In 2022, the numbers don't lie. You are not safe if you are 60+ and you are not safe if you are compromised having received the 3 shots. There are plenty of studies out there that share your immune system has been compromised if you have been vaxxed and boosted. I have a very good friend that is riddled with blood clots. I will share that he has been battling cancer, which is why he was in need of the vax, but his doctor has pulled back and said no more boosters. I am not against the vax. It's a personal choice, but make sure you are not blaming the people who are not on board.

 

Yes, you're right, it's not 9 of 10. I flubbed that. It's more at 7.5 out of 10 unvaxxed deaths overall, more so prior to omicron (81%), less so for omicron (66%). Still, percentages are the wrong way to consider the comparison because those percentages are skewed by the contribution of different and changing population sizes. By June, vaxxed & unvaxxed populations were roughly the same but by Dec 2021, 66% of the population was fully vaxxed and 34% unvaxxed, yet unvaxxed had death rates that were 5x to 18x more than vaxxed the entire time.

In other words, unvaxxed have been dying at a much faster clip and the percentage of unvaxxed of the unvaxxed population is much higher than for vaxxed of the vaxxed population. With the UK having somewhat higher vaxx rates (ntm use of different vaccines), they've experienced more vaxxed dying than unvaxxed, yet their respective rates follow a similar pattern to the US but not as good. Their average IRR over the same time period was over 7x the rate of unvaxxed deaths while in the US the average rate was over 12x unvaxxed deaths to vaxxed.

I provided you a link to the CDC data already. Not going to do it again. The only somewhat meaningful difference is that the UK identifies +/- 14 days from vaccination. However, the US breaks it down by weeks and provides different vaccination types.

 

The ratio for death rates per 100k respective populations for unvaxxed compared to vaxxed for omicron among older Americans:

50-64yo: 12.3x
65-79yo: 16.9x
80+: 6.5x

I think you are confused a bit. People with various ailments that affect the immune system already have weakened systems. Covid vaccines do not weaken or compromise those systems more. There is always some potential for adverse events (as we learned with blood clots from the J&J vaccine early on), however, this doesn't mean that vaccines generally compromise the system--after all, they improve the ability of peoples immune system to fight off an infection in which there was no prior immunity.

You are considerably safer vaccinated than unvaccinated, even at 60+ years of age. That said, yes, older vaxxed people have died. It's certainly a non-zero number but their rates remain far better than unvaxxed. You might think it a personal choice, but it's a damn silly choice to remain unvaxxed in the face of a pandemic spread of a deadly virus. Too many Americans have learned the hard way.

 

Prior infection (and natural immunity) is another factor to be considered when comparing mortality by vaccination status at this late stage. The unvaccinated with natural immunity have a better chance to survive upon re-infection. This will skew the unvaccinated mortality rate downward over time. The benefit of prior infection for the vaccinated is not as strong.

I believe VE takes this into account.

I read that 60% of people in the UK have had COVID. Yikes.

 

The Last Defense of DeSantis’s Anti-Vaccine Campaign Goes Poof

Here's the original article. Florida overcounted vaccination by 600,000 people.

COVID-19 vaccinations overcounted in Fla. due to snowbirds, tourists

 

We count them if they get vaccinated, but not if they get sick? Convenient.

 

Cancer treatments cause blood clots too. But understandable someone being tested for cancer would not get the shot. I know someone who has had multiple medical issues including having had chemo and different serous infections who was advised to not get any of the shots. Three are valid medical reasons.

 

Also 2 years of lying about natural immunity, shocking I know.

 

He was talking about the flu. Please provide evidence he's been lying "for two years" about natural immunity w/covid.