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And the unvaccinated at 7 times the rate of the vaccinated.

 

It must be an amazing coincidence that the vaccinated are all young, at goal weight, and not immune compromised then! Because again, at every age level, the unvaccinated are dying at significantly higher levels than the vaccinated.

 

And if those elderly & immuno-compromised unvaxxed would have gotten vaccinated, far fewer of them would have died.

You keep saying that far more vaxxed have died, but again you completely ignore rate differences, which are the proper statistical measurement to use when comparing things of vastly different population sizes.

 

His error has been pointed out enough times now that it isn't ignorance anymore, just dishonesty.

 

I can't tell if he is just really bad at math or he is intentionally using misleading statistics, but from his posting history on this topic I'm leaning towards intentionally misleading.

 

Fauci: It may never be clear whether lockdowns were 'worth it' or 'too severe' even you know who seems to be walking back lockdowns and mandates, will wonders never cease, 2 years of his saying the opposite.

 

He's made the same error false claim multiple times on this thread with UK data, not just today as you know. He's fooling only himself.

 

Wrong again. If folks on the right didn't have misrepresenting things, you would have nothing post about.

 

Lets assume 100 people.

When it comes to being vaccinated…

In England 72 are fully vaccinated and 28 were not in January.

When it comes to dying with Covid…

In January 82 died fully vaccinated, 3 died partially vaccinated and 15 died unvaccinated.

 

And yet the UK organization whose data you are using insists on saying that the unvaccinated are more likely to die. What is your background in biostatistics? Why should we accept your interpretation of the data over the interpretation of the people being paid for their expertise in this field?

 

You don’t know that.

The other funny thing is that with the information we have…no one gives potential credit to the new pills and monoclonal antibodies that both vaccinated and unvaccinated have been taking when they get Covid.

The new drugs have run their course. Unfortunately we caused a lot of the damage with how we decided to roll them out.

 

I am just stating exactly what the hard data they provide says. November and December were moving more to 1:1. Yet still more vaccinated than unvaccinated dying compared to the number of people vaccinated.

January went back to more like October with a bigger discrepancy. End of the day it appears the new drugs might have provided a little therapeutic help when the alpha variant was the dominant strain. But once delta took it really does not appear to do much.

We really should have followed the minority (Great Barrington Declaration). But we did not. Now we need to own the mistakes. Unfortunately I don’t see that happening which is not good for public health.

 

Your interpretation of the UK numbers is different from the interpretation of the UK numbers by medical professionals in the UK. But lets set that aside and see if your hypothesis is supported in other developed countries. Are there any other countries where the vaccinated are more likely to die of covid than the unvaccinated? If not, why does the vaccine work so poorly in the UK and so well everywhere else? Or, is it possible that since your interpretation of the numbers doesn't line up with the medical professionals in the UK or the observed events in other countries, that perhaps it is your interpretation that is incorrect instead of the rest of reality?

 

He is an engineer. Think he doesn’t understand the math?

 

It's likely that the new pills and moncolonals have helped, but they cannot explain the extremely large differences in death rates.

Funny how you like to invoke monclonals but without the same type of negative connotation about being a "new drug" or the alternative buzz phrase your fond of "experimental drug. "

The damage came from your fellow ideologues muddying the waters about vaccinations to the point that 4 of every 10 republicans and white evangelical christians remain unvaxxed. A direct line can be drawn from rw anti-vaxxism and anti-science crusade to covid deaths.

 

The variable you are missing for is age. It is not fair to compare the rates of mortality from COVID for those 70 and older and those 12 and younger. In the UK, those 70 and older are highly likely to be vaccinated, but still may not be able to survive a COVID infection. Those 12 and younger in the UK are highly unlikely to be vaccinated, but because of how the virus works, they are likely to survive infection, vaccinated or not.

Adjust for age, and guaranteed that in every group over 18, the results will show the vaccinated group survive at a higher rate than the unvaccinated group. Instead of taking just 100 random people of all ages, take 100 in the same age range, and you will find unvaccinated are more likely to die than the unvaccinated. This has been proven time and time again. One state that does just this is Washington. And again, their data shows the unvaccinated are between 5X and 7X more likely to die depending age. Younger, only 5X, and older 7X.

Without context, like age, you're just giving numbers. Start at the 4:15 mark if you want to know what numbers without context sounds like. And sorry, you're not funny at all like Carlin.

 

Your questions are fair. But we have a few states that provided hard data that compared with the UK data. It truly is unbelievable and unacceptable that we do not publish the hard data here. Is our government incompetent? Probably part of it. But the bigger part is they don’t want that information out imo. Maybe I am wrong. But we had data out of New Hampshire in late August early September confirming what the data in England shows. Yet we don’t have the hard data now.

Ot should not be that hard to provide the data like England does. And every state should including Florida (which we don’t).

 

I only invoke them because it gets ignored by the vaccinate only crowd. When the vaccinate only crowd lined up for them just like the unvaccinated.

I personally would not go straight out and take one of the new pills or monoclonals if I got Covid. I would consider it based on my condition.

 

Who here is a vaccinate only person? Ivermectin has proven to be ineffective against COVID, unless you have a nematode infection, which is rare in the US. But why limit the number of arrows in the quiver to vaccination only? Monoclonals can also be effective, regardless of vaccination status, assuming you they are used in time, and we're using the one that is effective against Omicron. As original monoclonals are not. Still, the best arrow we do have against COVID remains to be the vaccine.

And there are states that put out numbers that actually tell the story. Like Washington. Or Texas. They took vaccination status by age and again show the vaccinated by age group are several times more likely to survive COVID than the unvaccinated. Same conclusion Washington state came up with. Same conclusion UK came up with too.

 

Lol q, you made the exact same criticism about the UK late last year on this thread. The *hard data* on vaccines and deaths & cases are available on the CDC's website. I've posted multiple links to it before but here is the link again.

Beginning in December 2020, the CDC created a new dashboard that it updates regularly (3x since then) that provides data that were provided to them (which is what I linked to) from states. The *problem* with CDC data, however, is not that they're not available, but that only 67% of reporting agencies submit covid vaccination & cases/death data to the CDC. Perhaps you can fight to make such reporting mandatory?