Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Don't throw out random stats. Actually show us an impact analysis. you know... something that actually shows causation.

 

Yeah I'll get right on that, it would only take a team of data crunchers months to collect, assimilate and adjust that data based on numerous local factors that vary state to state. All populations state to state are the same right?

It's much easier to pull up and make a graph based of voter registration(very accurate and valid) and go with that....

 

It takes even less work to deny said graph.

 

You mean like the red vs Blue COVID death rate charts....

 

I'm sure health and age are factors. But there's another thing that tracks well with COVID morbidity rate. Vaccination rate. Here are the numbers, by state, in August. While numbers across all states are now higher, this shows which states are lagging and which states are the most vaccinated. Now, correlation does not mean causation, but when the correlation matches so closely, it's hard not to say there's no causation whatsoever.

 

Seriously... if you are challenging those rates, show some math. This is silly.

 

There is a difference in deny a graph and pointing out potential issues with the collection of the data conclusion drawn from said data.
Remember correlation is not causation?

 

Ha, just because you've dealt with covid daily for the past 2 years, doesn't really mean much!

 

You can point out potential issues but without followup, it's vapid.

"Red counties have a greater death rate than blue counties. But what about the ratio of 5G coverage?"

That's how silly your argument sounds. If you are going to challenge obvious correlation, have at least 1 statistical test in your gun.

 

We can also compare the US with other countries. Like Canada. Here's a chart of COVID vaccination rates per country. Canada is nearly 20% higher in vaccination rate.



Here's death rate per capita.



If you want to make the argument Americans are much less healthy than Canadians, and that plays a part of the difference in mortality rate, I won't argue. But are Americans really that less healthy on a per capita basis that this large a discrepancy would exist? Or does vaccination rate play a part as well? Again, hard to argue the only reason is Americans are fat and don't take care of ourselves. It's not like Canada has a 5% higher vaccination rate. It's almost 20%.

 

I don't know pa, seemed like you were

Anyway, you have to know that the problem is that the unvaxxed lean heavily rightward, especially among older adults who are at a higher risk of dying from covid. Our death numbers look the way they do bc folks on the right have been getting some god-awful, deadly info coming overwhelmingly from the right. It's like advising people who need to be hospitalized or they'll die to check out.

 

So then I guess you are going to say that places with high death ratios like NY, MICH, NJ, PENN, RI, NM, must all just be outliers.

 

I bring up questions with issues that have direct impact to COVID mortality, your 5G comment is a weak attempt to ignore or minimize that.
Maybe it's because you don't understand COVID mortality has some very clear risk factors that don't follow party lines.

 

Since I have a 25 year history in medicine I can tell you it's not only "rt wing" people who are anti-vax. Until COVID the vast majority of anti Vax people were progressive, commune socialist tree hugger types. Certainly people on the RT are now less likely to get vaccinated or even wear a mask. I see plenty of Indy's who aren't vaxed either.

 

Just for the record I'm not arguing efficacy of vaccines in adults for COVID.

Not going gonna get wrapped up in that.

 

Disagree.

Covid mortality is CLEARLY correlated to vaccination status. Vaccination status is CLEARLY correlated to political affiliation.

If you can find other risk factors across blue/red counties as strong as vaccination status, please provide details. Something as simple as Adult BMI or % diabetic by red/blue county.

Otherwise, you're just bloviating.

 

The first chart showing blue counties versus red and purple counties did show blue counties had higher death rates before the vaccine became widely available. But on that chart starting in April, and continuing throughout, as vaccination rates grew in these blue areas, morbidity rate fell. At the same time, it rose in deep red counties.

No outliers at all. Blue counties had higher death rates in the beginning, before the vaccine became available to all. There are several factors, including population density that allowed the virus to spread quicker in blue, urban areas, versus more rural areas, which tend to be red. And when the virus did spread to more red areas, the general health, including obesity and diabetes did play a factor in the increase in morbidity rate. But the data all show the same trend. Not just in the US, but in other countries as well. Higher vaccination rate equals lower morbidity rate.

 

I've never doubted that vaccines reduce mortality. They most certainly do. As I've said too many times already, I have not at all witnessed un-vaxxed right wingers in any way being more proportional than un-vaxxed non-right wingers. Each week I see the same results I've been seeing since the vaccine came out.

 

As I’ve said before I suspect that is because the non right wingers you see are probably minorities, and they are more likely to get Covid in the first place. So perhaps minorities have a higher vax percent than republicans, but those unvaccinated minorities are more likely to get exposed to Covid in the first place.

 

Sorry, but I'm not buying the more exposure angle. Perhaps in the beginning of the disease but not for most of the last year and a half or so. I think that minorities, just like anyone, have been more likely to get Covid more because of their health habits than being more exposed.