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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. 96Gatorcise

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    Of course I'm serious. It's the truth. You may not like it but it's the truth. It is also part of the article. The majority have covid fatigue and have normalized the deaths as part moving forward. Nothing is going to change that.
     
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    I hope not.
     
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  3. gator95

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    So this person decided to look into the 7 pediatric "covid deaths" from LA since the pandemic began. Found 6 of the deaths, and shockingly 4 of the six had nothing to do with covid whatsoever, while 2 were from covid and had serious comorbidities. I mean just shocking I tell you. Who could've guessed? Not our resident fear monger, that's for sure.

    So when anyone spouts off covid pediatric deaths, sorry if I call BS on most of them.


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  4. gatorpa

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    There really isn't any point in arguing any of this.

    I'll not disparage any parent who doesn't want their kid to get vaccinated until the full long term safety analysis in the trials is complete.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    Small sample size, but not unexpected. As for dying with COVID versus dying from COVID, there's always been a lot of gray areas when it comes to death certificates. Here's a good article explaining where the gray exists, and the process behind listing COVID as a COD. Bottom line, if the person filling out the death certificate believed COVID played a part in the process as to why the person died, COVID will be listed on the certificate. In other words, for the kids who had drugs in their system, the medical professional asks him/herself if he/she thinks the kid might have survived if the kid didn't have COVID. If that answer is yes, then the conclusion is COVID played a part in the kid dying, and gets listed on the death certificate.

    Also, again, small sample size, 1 of the kids had no underlying conditions and still died. That's 14%, which is in line with the past studies that have shown around 20% of kids who die from COVID have no underlying conditions.

    All you have proven is the person who did the research doesn't understand how filling out a death certificate works. Of course, the medical professionals can't be certain if COVID played a role in a death from fentanyl, but they are the most educated people out there qualified to make call. And I'm sure they see drug overdoses daily, and have a good guess on which ones will survive and which ones won't. COVID can attack vital organs like the heart and lungs, that in combination with a drug like fentanyl, could cause complications that wouldn't have likely occurred otherwise. Unless you think some random person is more qualified to fill out death certificates than the actual professionals that did fill them out?
     
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  6. gatorpa

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    That was Cuomo's plan, think of all the money it will save the GOV over time(SS, Medicare, state pensions)...

    Sarcasm alert.
     
  7. gatorpa

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    Plus do you honestly think countries like China, India and Russia have actually counted every COVID death...
    Not a chance.
     
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  8. OklahomaGator

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  9. buckeyegator

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    plus you can go all Soylent Green on them, more sarcasm.
     
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  10. gatorpa

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  12. Swamplizard

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    There might be a few on here that want to read this monster study but what it essential says is the death count from Covid is way off. Globally the number reported is 5.4 million deaths, this report says it is 18.2 million

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  13. gator95

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    The global death count most certainly is undercounted. Nobody believes China’s numbers, and it’s widely believed India had poor reporting as well to the tune of missing millions of deaths (when you have 1.5 billion largely living in poverty, record keeping isn’t going to be great, esp in a crisis) . Considering the massive populations of these countries, it’s easy to see the true global number being off by magnitudes.

    There are also a handful of totalitarian countries that claim *zero* COVID deaths which is obviously absurd, obviously filling them in would only be additive.

    1st world countries are probably somewhat realistic, albeit not perfect. It’s the developing world and totalitarian states where there would be drastic undercounts.
     
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  15. gatorpa

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    Thanks for saying this.
    This is why it's really useless to compare the US death toll (to the world), posters who are doing this are just trying to push their feelings and agenda and it rather disingenuous.
    India is a great example there is video of them just piling thousands into mass graves, do we really think those numbers are right? I'm sure China's numbers are massively higher as well they never want to look bad I recall and article a year ago taking about half a million cell phone in Wuhan that suddenly became inactive(without replacement accounts).

    In the US and other advanced countries its prob closer to right, however in the US (don't know about elsewhere but less likely, due to socialized medicine), there was a financial incentive to call a hospitalized death "covid related", this was due to the extra payments hospitals received for COVID positive patients. If one doesn't think hospital systems would gain the system they are naïve. I worked in hospitals for decades, they have an army of coders and billing people trained to get every possible penny out of Medicare and insurance often they live in the blurry areas and it's not uncommon for providers to get a portion of salary based on billing.
     
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  16. gator95

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    No one wants to hear that the US Covid death numbers aren't true. Pediatric covid deaths are a complete joke. For sure hospitals were/are "gaming" the system to take the extra money from a covid death when they can.
     
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  17. 96Gatorcise

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    Even if we are to believe 18.2 million, that is .23% of the world population, point 23%! It is insignificant to the 8 Billion on the planet and growing.
     
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    And on top of that, if the truth were really told, 17,000,000 were probably over 80.
     
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  19. 96Gatorcise

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    So many forget that 99.77% are living and need to work to have food and shelter and provide for others.

    It's harsh but it's the real world.
     
  20. g8trjax

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    You hit on it earlier, the guys moaning about about not preventing more deaths by not locking down for 2 years have zero skin in the game.
     
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