Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

I have no idea what you are trying to say. You think all conservatives want Zero govt? Any rational person knows that's not ever happening, so better to deal in reality. The reality is Trump was terrible on Covid, as was Fauci, the CDC and Biden as well. Anyone defending only biden or the cdc/fauci shows their bias. It's ok, most have shown it for almost 2 years on this thread.

 

Best advice I can give you is ignore that poster. Literally just a fear mongering troll at this point. Just laugh at what they post and ignore.

 

They'll never admit it but if trump was still in charge it would be way more polarized the other direction.

 

Absolutely, unequivocally, ridiculous.

 

KH was well justified in her argument.

 

So ridiculous you can refute NOTHING.

 

No it wouldn’t, because the medical journals and clinical trial data are what they are. Alternative facts only work on those who do “research” via YouTube and Twitter.

 

Not once have I claimed any numbers for the entire country. What I have said from the start waaaaay back when I first brought this up when people here were dancing on graves of folks they thought were Republican (very “progressive” btw), is that before wishing death on anyone you best understand who a large percentage of these people are. And no matter how much you all want to believe it, a LARGE percentage of them are not the stereotypical Republicans you all love to mock. My “anecdotal” observations are of course not scientific but I feel confident that they represent Florida pretty well based on what I see, what I hear and what I know. You can stay hung up on it being more Republicans unvaxxed and dying if you want and if it makes you feel better but that has never been the point I’ve been making. Which is, that there are hundreds of thousands of people who vote the same way you do who aren’t vaccinated and who filled hospital beds many of whom died. Are they people who should be castigated like Republicans or not? If not why not? And should we be as flippant about their deaths as we are Republican deaths? And is it not hypocritical to continue to give them cover while calling out others when in the end they both are responsible for doing the same thing. That’s the gist of what I’ve been saying ad nauseum.

 

Again, ridiculous. As if Trump could get a company to manufacture a “vaccine”, have the FDA give it a thumbs up and then foist it on the public. You guys sound exactly like the idiotic conspiracy nuts you mock. All she and other Democrats did was play politics just like they accused Republicans of doing. Democrats and their propaganda arm in the media created initial distrust in the vaccine whether you all are willing to admit it or not.

 

What’s to refute? That you think that Trump was somehow going to make a company make something they called a vaccine with no real trials then somehow make the FDA and all other scientific bodies give it the thumbs up then expose said company and hundreds of thousands of health care professionals to possible ruin by then poisoning people with a bogus vaccine? No need to refute something so ludicrous.

 

It wouldn’t come from Pfizer or a major. I’m suggesting he would have announced whatever came first, whatever company showed even the most minimal efficacy and he would have promoted it as a sort of miracle cure, and would have pushed to have that mass produced regardless of the data

How do you even doubt this with him pumping hydroxychoriquin even after it was shown to be clinically ineffective? His lies are the basis for the suspicion. As it turns out, several major manufacturers did have vaccines with high initial efficacy. I’m just suggesting Trump would have been applying pressure and would have grasped on to literally anything to sell, even if it were actually harmful. That’s who he is.

 

Is it really ludicrous when Trump touted hydrocholorquine like it would end the pandemic? Or suggested bleach and UV light were possible answers? Remember when Trump opined that the makers of the vaccine were holding off until after the election because they wanted him to lose? To say that Trump is unhinged and liable to say anything is putting him in a nicer light than he deserves.

As for Fauci and the CDC, I think we need to understand they are humans, and were and still are dealing with a novel virus. Meaning new. And the last pandemic occurred over 100 years ago, meaning anyone alive had to recollection what happened when we last dealt with something so deadly on this large of a scale. They did what they thought was right based on the information at the time, and what has been effective historically. Really, what else were they supposed to do? Looking back, were Fauci and the CDC perfect? Of course not. Mistakes were made. But then COVID doesn't act like the flu virus, which generally dies in warmer weather, and cases go down significantly. That didn't and hasn't happened with COVID, and nobody could have accurately predicted no warm weather change for again, the novel virus.

 

amazing in that so many on the left say " follow the science ", but when the science suggests several years of data study to evaluate vaccines it's trump's fault they were not made available sooner, gotta love the cake and eat it too attitude they have. can you imagine if the vaccine under trump was put out in a great hurry and a large number died from it what the reaction would be, i can.

 

Que?

Nobody has said the timeframe of the vaccines was slow, nor that it was “Trumps fault”.

 

It is absolutely absurd to suggest that Trump could have a vaccine made and given to the public on his own. And you guys continuing to suggest such a thing shows me just how much Trump has screwed you all up.

And I never mentioned Fauci once.

 

The vaccine timeframe was accelerated thanks to technology. In the past, researchers would have to try and isolate a usable variant that triggered the immune response without causing the person receiving the vaccine from getting sick. It's a lot of trial and error, often infecting chicken eggs, and in the past, has taken several years to find the right variant.

With mRNA technology, no reason to go this route. Instead of isolating an attenuated virus, all we need to do is isolate the mRNA strand contained within the virus that triggers the immune response. That process took weeks. And the first human trial of the vaccine was March, 2020. Emergency use wasn't authorized until December.

 

hey, mentioning fauci is my gig don't you know?

 

FYI, we gave hydroxychloroquine in the hospital to COVID patients. We also gave them ivermectin.

We had these vaccines from the start. Trump’s administration began working with these companies from the very beginning of COVID. Harris and the Democrats knew this yet they used politics to try and “get” Trump and in doing so created doubt in any vaccine that he promoted despite any of their stupid “caveats”.

 

Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I’m suggesting. I’m not suggesting Trump would pull a vaccine out of his ass.

Picture this. J&J passes the trial with a vaccine that is just slightly effective. Let’s say 20%-30% (this was back when speculation was 50% efficacy would be a good benchmark). Other vaccines around the corner might show far more early promise, but one is ready and might be “safe” enough to just get by FDA for EUA with some heavy pressures (not enough to make people resign in protest). Trump would pounce at that opportunity. He would push that first vaccine as THE miracle cure, he would have hosted some huge WH event, and he would never let that vaccine go because it was HIS vaccine. Later/better vaccines wouldn’t matter, it would remain about his miracle. Who the hell doubts this? Come on, he literally did this with hydroxychloroquin. A few of his supporters even still name drop that drug as the front line of defense.

 

Medicine is complicated. Some people take a more holistic approach. And when the day shows that a healthy person is at little to no risk…trying to force and coerce them to take a new drug that does have side effects is terrible public health policy.

I would give the shut up and get jabbed more ear if these drugs were close to what they were sold as. But we witnessed how they did not stop/slow the spread and that the people taking them absolutely were spreaders of the disease. So asking a person who views medicine with a holistic approach to force their body into action when the only benefit is a potential small therapeutic response…is not going to be something they find beneficial. Especially when they could be at little to no risk.

It is kind of like the idiotic mask stuff. If you shut up and get jabbed…you don’t need to where a mask. Then we watch the jabbed get the disease and spread it. Yet many kept the moronic policy. That kind of thing adds to why so many do not trust these public health officials. You put irrational policies out there and you are going to lose people.