Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

When given a number he doesn't like, he plays bad actor games by

1. ignoring it
2. countering with a number on a different topic
3. calling it "propaganda"
4. discrediting the source

Not once have I seen him show appreciation for someone's effort or acknowledge he learned something. There's a name for that type of internet user.

 

I'm aware of the numbers. So what. .3% of the national population. It's insignificant on a macro level. Still less than other causes of death in the US per yr. Get back to me on the numbers when they actually start decreasing the population.

 

That isn't what the data shows, but you do you.

 

Non peer reviewed study of BA.2 might be informative. I'll add this to my monitored list and report back if it passes review:

BA.2 is more transmissible than BA.1 but vaccinated persons are less likely to be infected and to pass on infection

 

is COVID still a thing? Havent heard much about it recently

 

I am not the one falsely insinuating that only unvaccinated spread this disease. We have seen multiple examples of clear widespread spreading from the vaccinated. The NHL being a great example. So I get you don’t want to engage in reality. Sadly.

 

You sure love using numbers that include months where fewer were vaccinated and there was still the alpha variant around.

The vaccinated have been spreading this just like the unvaccinated. Just like they were taking the therapeutics when they did get the virus.

Look no farther than the NHL and it’s everyone but one player was vaccinated to see how well the vaccinated were at slowing the spread.

 

Keep on believing that you just happened to respond to someone saying they were unvaccinated was not your insinuation that the vaccine would have changed the number you posted. LOL! Numnuts.

 

We’ve removed mask restrictions at the office (county rules) for vaccinated people. A little awkward with unvaxed people not using them at times but most everyone is vaxed. Still have capacity restrictions in rooms but it’s nearing the end of the risk it seems.

 

It sure is what the data shows. We just had the largest spread of the disease and the vaccinated and unvaccinated got and spread the thing like wildfire.

 

Where @duchen "insinuate" that only the unvaccinated spread the disease?

I notice you seem to be combatting a lot of insinuations lately. That's weird.

 

No one is saying that the vaccinated can't spread it (if there is anyone that is, there are as wrong as you are), just that the unvaccinated spread it much more. Depending on the time and place, somewhere between 2 to 7 times as much.

 

Can you substantiate that statement? It's a little vague. Using "just like" is weird.

Are you claiming vaccinated breakthrough cases have the same transmission rate as unvaccinated infections?

Or are you claiming that a vaccinated person has the same chance of getting infected and spreading the disease as an unvaccinated person?

 

I stand by my assertion I overestimated your working knowledge of the US statistics and should have been more explicit. How long are we going to talk about your misunderstanding here?

 

I “insinuated” something else.

 

I provided totals from where we have data on vaccinations & covid deaths & counts.

Multiple times now you have alleged that there is *no difference* or that vaccines *don't stop the spread* which as declarative & binary propositions go, misses that the numbers show there are significant differences that translate into millions more unvaxxed covid cases.

The rate of spread among the unvaxxed has ranged from 1.33 to 23.42x more compared to vaxxed, averaging 6x more from April to Dec 1 but down to 2.44x since Dec 1. (depending on week & age group). Overall 4.5x for unvaxxed.

While the numbers for vaccinated are not nearly as stellar as they are in protecting against death, they still translated into over 4m fewer infections among the vaxxed compared to unvaxxed since Apr 1 in the CDC sample, despite the growing vaxxed pop.

You say I love using months when the alpha variant was around. So let me provide you some numbers, restricting my analysis from Dec 1 to Jan 22 (latest CDC tracking data available on cases):

The absolute totals for vaxxed vs unvaxxed flip around, with roughly 6.3m vaxxed cases compared to only 5.9m unvaxxed.

Yet, even if the above might seem to you evidence that vaccinations don't stop the spread, in comparing rate differences, as we must with populations of significantly different sizes, the rate difference was 2.76x more cases per 100k for unvaxxed compared to vaxxed.

In other words, from Dec 1 to Jan 22, omicron still spread at a much faster rate among unvaxxed than vaxxed. Not suggesting that vaccines have been kick-ass with omicron & infections, but those numbers are still significantly better.

One last point, this is a similar situation to the UK and covid deaths where more died in recent months but the rates were much worse for unvaxxed. This is a statistical & epidemiological phenomenon that was discovered many moons prior to the arrival of covid.

 

In graph form:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...s-much-weaker-against-omicron-cdc-data-shows/

 

We do not have the official data to use. Sure would be nice if we did. But the cdc would not want the wrong data out there I guess.

That said…when you look at certain things like the NHL. Like a small country in Gibraltar that is 99% fully vaccinated for adults. The data out of a big country like an England and see not only the largest amount of cases post vaccination (yes with more transmissible variants) but also with curves that would match exactly how the virus has reacted in partially vaccinated places (both high and low vaccination rates)…it tells a story.

I have always said it would be nice to have the raw data to analyze. But apparently we should only get what the cdc thinks we need and presented the way the cdc thinks it should be presented.

 

LOL!

You decide to post the number of Covid deaths at random and just happen to reply to a poster claiming to be unvaccinated and it had nothing to do with vaccination.

You are smarter than that Champ! But if you have told yourself enough it was just by chance enough now and believe that. Okay. LOL!

 

Poster ignores the use of data from the CDC... goes with Gibraltar??? and the old disproven England data with a different vaccine. Then wants to critique CDC data. Priceless. Spin much? SMH