Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

And we have people pushing to get kids to take these new drugs who are at more risk driving to school each day than they are of severe Covid.

 

Many fully vaccinated. Many more partially vaccinated.

 

Injuring someone is a crime, but driving drunk can severely impair perceptions and thus increase the dangers of people driving and thus it too is legitimately a crime. We have every right to put some limits on things that are already in themselves dangerous.

 

You keep talking about the number of deaths. And there is little doubt your point is the vaccines work. Yet you ignore the reality many of the deaths are fully vaccinated or partially vaccinated.

No one has ever said this was not a terrible virus. But ending relevant life for it has been absurd. Thankfully in Florida we chose not to do that. The damage done to kids should anger everyone. The poorest kids getting the worst of it from school shutdowns. Including in Florida for the closing of the 2020 school year.

 

The right masks worn correctly are very effective. They've protected me through chemo pre covid and now covid with low-grade chemo.

But I lived my life. I didn't make others stop for me, mask for me, close life for me. Everyone has a right to live as they see fit and those like me who are in danger need to protect ourselves accordingly. My safety isn't someone else's responsibility. I'm vaccinated (3 full doses with an upcoming booster) because I need to be. Because even though it's not as effective as originally touted, for me every bit of help matters.

There has been serious damage to our kids, our economy, and our society from these past 2 years of closures, restrictions, etc. It's time to move on.

 

And these kids would be even more at risk if they weren't buckled in properly, and their parents drove drunk. Which is why we have laws against those things. They are even less at risk from COVID if they are vaccinated.

 

Again, I didn't mention vaccinations. Do you only have one tactic.

Tell me, what's your motivation for contributing to this thread?

 

and many not from Covid but with Covid

 

Comparing the US with Australia and other covid crazy ass countries isn't quite a fair comparison.

 

If you want to live your life in bubble wrap...go for it. Some certainly live with that kind of fear. But I and many are not going to put a new drug in our kids knowing they are in far more danger each morning getting in the car to go to school. Fortunately that is a fairly safe task that puts them in little danger. Far less danger than covid.

But it is time to move on and begin to rebuild from the damage done by the disaster public health decisions that were made.

 

I told you. And you keep responding.

Which by the way. Your response to 96 and saying he/she is unvaccinated..."970,000 fellow Americans are not. Thank you for your efforts." absolutely implies you are discussing vaccinations when it comes to the 970K you reference. So quit trying to play semantics. The irony of asking what your motivation is from you right now is palpable.

 

No doubt. These are the types of things the cdc is concerned could be "misinterpreted"...

The damage done by the cdc is unprecedented.

 

If I can reduce the risk for me and my kids, and the cost is 20 minutes at Walgreens twice in the matter of weeks, I'll do it. The risks may be low, but what's wrong with making them lower? Especially if it's free, and I'm already going to Walgreens at least once a month anyway? There's one less than 1/2 mile from my house.

Again, the overall risk is low, but the overwhelming majority of kids who were hospitalized with COVID were unvaccinated. Not to mention, unvaccinated kids have a higher rate of MIS-C, which is dangerous and potentially deadly. Vaccinated kids? Hardly any MIS-C cases at all.

I drive my kid to school every morning. The chances me getting into an accident is small. But I won't drive unless I know my kid is buckled in properly. Why not wait the 3 seconds it takes for him to put the seat belt on and reduce the risk to his life even more?

 

And they are still in more danger buckled in than they are of covid. You and your kids can enjoy the new drugs. I support you and your ability to make that decision. I disagree with it for my kids. They are just fine and if they happen to get Covid...they will likely end up with a better outcome than if they were in a car accident. Buckled or Unbuckled. Which of course mine are buckled. There is no need to vaccinate kids with a new drug designed for a different variant based on the data. You clearly have come to a different answer when it comes to that.

 

If you don't want to spend less than 60 minutes total time, over a few weeks, to reduce your kid's risk of ending up in the hospital or getting MIS-C from COVID, that is your prerogative. But plenty of data says these are the results of vaccinating kids. I also see no downside to vaccinating the kids, which is why both of mine are fully vaccinated.

 

970000 are not alive, numnuts

 

Since April 2021, nearly 9 of every 10 covid deaths were unvaxxed. That's over 452k of 509k deaths. There is no rational & informed argument that vaccines don't work or that they shouldn't be the main weapon. They have undeniably saved 100 of thousands of lives.

Some folks really need to go to school and take some public health and epidemiology courses.

 

This data is just from July 11 to Sept 4, but the chart speaks for itself.

 

Even though the differences came down slightly in December, they're still striking and tell only one story. One that some don't want to accept because they're wedded to the naive idea of we just kept everything open and only isolated the elderly and those with various risk conditions, we would have come through the last two years far better. It's an incredible self-delusion driven by a document (Great Barrington Declaration) that the vast majority of public health and medical experts rejected--and for good reason. There was no way we would have reached any herd immunity by simply keeping things open and letting people get infected without killing far more people.

By slightly, I mean, 8.4 of every 10 deaths in December were unvaccinated vs 8.8 overall. Infection is a different story but at 2.2x through January (over double that before December), it's still millions of fewer infections compared to unvaccinated.

 

As I said…we came to different conclusions.

The good news…Neither of our kids are in any real danger!