Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Those kids all had underlying conditions. You keep fear mongering. You are good at it. Healthy kids are at zero risk of covid. You keep quoting knowingly false numbers. The rest of us aren't vaccinating our kids.

 

Always and excuse and a dismissal of numbers that disprove your own, personal narrative. The numbers are the numbers. You can't dispute them. So you must dismiss them as inaccurate.

 

Oh, and people like you trying to treat the risks of covid as equal, when they are so far apart for a child compared to a senior citizen it isn't even worth discussing. You are the problem. You were so wrong on school closures, masks, vaxxing kids and NI. It's amazing you still post with being so wrong. One would think someone being that wrong would shut up and listen but i guess some people are too full of themselves.

 

I don't need to disprove them, the CDC did that for me. Thanks for playing.

 

No, it is a yes or no question when it is a yes or no question. Intent is not a major factor in the answer to the question. Desire to take or not take the vaccine does not change the answer to the question.

Plenty of things are black and white in medicine. You just don't want to answer the question directly.

 

Where did I say the risks were equal among populations? I said want to lower your risk, regardless of age or physical condition, get the vaccine. That goes for a 9-year old or a 90-year old. Now, the 90-year old is going to have significantly higher risk from COVID, but why should that stop the parents of the 9-year old from lowering his/her risk?

And I'm full of myself? I listen to experts with much more knowledge and expertise than I do, and follow their advice. Yes, there are always outliers, but when the majority reach a consensus, that should have meaning. And it does, for me. You, on the other hand? You already have all the answers, always had all the answers, and can't acknowledge when all the evidence doesn't fit your narrative. So you dismiss and ridicule, eventually ending in name calling. I.e., calling me full of myself.

 

You are a fear monger. Nothing more, nothing less. Congrats. Sorry that I was right on lockdowns, school closures, masks and natural immunity. Tough look for you when you were so wrong on all those takes. Now you peddle fear. Sounds fun.

 

Forcing people to take a new drug for a disaster that is not that dangerous to them is not a black and white issue.

And that is what you are trying to imply.

Booster up my friend. Just don’t ask others to do so if they don’t want to.

 

That wasn't the question that I asked, and, thus, it is not important in providing an answer to that question.

How about you answer the question that I asked rather than the question that you think I was trying to imply?

 

I did. Answered the same twice.

You might get a small therapeutic response by taking the new drug. Starting to appear less so as time goes on.

Absolutely no need to be pushing these drugs onto people with natural immunity at this point. And honestly anyone really. We need a new generation at this point.

Booster up my friend!

 

So, as you like to claim that you are interested in the science and since the scientific data shows an increase in immunity, does it increase immunity?

 

Since you are apparently trying to be honest this time ("Absolutely no need to be pushing these drugs onto people with natural immunity at this point. And honestly anyone really.")
Tell us honestly how the 60% of Americans that have one-4 comorbidities can safely achieve this wonderful natural immunity. Seems to me about 900K Americans were NOT able to achieve natural immunity, but I'll await your direction in that regard..

 

Is it a benefit worth the risk is the question.

But since you want to play this game.

How much benefit did the fully vaccinated who sadly have succumbed to Covid get?

 

What's so scary about the truth? What fear is in the statement that for everyone eligible, if they want to lower their risk of serious complications from COVID, they should get vaccinated? Is it fear mongering when you tell someone to put on his/her seat belt?

You also like to engage in revisionist history. At the time of school lock downs, we knew kids were less likely to have severe effects from COVID. But did we know how contagious the virus was from child to adult? And aren't there a number of adults in every school, from teachers, to office staff, to custodial staff? Do their lives not matter? And while the wild type of COVID did spread from child to adult well, Delta spread more, and Omicron even more. Slowing community spread was the goal at the beginning. And using what we knew at the time, closing schools made sense.

As for masks, they are only effective if everyone wears one properly. Just traveled to N. California to visit family, and if 75% of the people in the airport were wearing masks properly, I'd say that's an overestimate. Lots of uncovered noses, or complete chin straps. Some didn't even have it on at all, except for at security. Half-assed efforts lead to half-assed results. From the early days, but this article from Philly said only 43% of people were wearing a mask correctly. And from a year ago, 30% of people in L.A. didn't mask at all. Claim victory on masks if you want. Too bad putting a damn mask on while around people was too difficult a task for too many people.

Same with lockdowns. The US never had anywhere near a true lockdown. Restaurants and schools closed for a few weeks in areas, but were we ever restricted on when and where we could go? Not really. China and Italy had true lockdowns, when people couldn't leave their homes without permission. Again, we half-assed things, and had no enforcement. My neighbor kept throwing large parties, and never once did the police visit.

As for natural immunity, does it really matter what's better at this point? I've been saying for months, a better question to answer is why some studies show NI better, whereas others show a vaccine to be more effective? And it's not like there is a single study that shows the vaccine to do better. I'd rather now why the different studies yielded different results, rather than argue about which is better.

Know what's best? Getting the vaccine. If you have already had COVID, getting vaccinated will give you super-immunity. Haven't had COVID? The vaccine is your best protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and death if you do get COVID. And that's not fear. That's the truth.

 

Well if you want to be honest you need to realize that many of the 900K were vaccinated (let’s not use the reality that the vast majority of deaths occurred before the new drugs were available as part of the discussion. That would be disingenuous. Like the people who want to use January to current to compare deaths vaccinated/unvaccinated.

When we get the data we find that most deaths are fully vaccinated now. So are they getting benefit from these drugs? Early on I would say that there was a small therapeutic benefit based on the data. Now…I don’t see much of any. As we now have a dominant variant that attacks differently (more upper airway than lungs typically/making it more of a cold) and has mutated drastically from the original spike protein the drugs were designed for.

Sure wish the cdc would not withhold information. But here we are.

 

The CDC has made the information public. Most deaths aren't fully vaccinated now. Even with Omicron being unvaccinated greatly increases the risks.

 

The majority of deaths are from the vaccinated because the majority of people are vaccinated. Especially older populations. Vaccinated people still die from COVID, unfortunately. And if 100% of the people were vaccinated, then all COVID deaths would be from vaccinated people! Would that mean, in your eyes, the vaccine offered no protection?

The reality is the vaccine has saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and could've prevented thousands more. And at every age level, you are more likely to die from COVID if unvaccinated.

 

At least you understand the gradient of risk. Now if we would stop trying to coerce young healthy people and move on with more productive ways to fight the virus. Just think if we took the focused protection route and had a huge healthy control group to work with for newer drugs to help the high risk group of older and obese people who are the majority dealing with severe Covid. But no. Take the new drug. Even though the same group that was the majority dying before it is the same majority dying after it.

Booster up my friend!

 

Good try. We knew even back then kids didn’t transmit Covid to adults. Quite embarrassing. We saw why most of Europe was doing. I see you are calling it “revisionist history”, no I called it dumb then. Tough luck that I was right. You were wrong on all those takes. Good effort at explaining them away. Healthy kids are more likely to be drown or be struck by lightning than to die from Covid. But hey, you keep spreading that fear. Hers the reality, anyone over 18 who hasn’t had Covid already should get the vaccine. Only kids with underlying conditions should get the vaccine. The rest is fear monger if by you and others. Non N95 masks are useless. Everyone who isn’t partisan knows this

 

Bottom line truth. All age groups, and physical conditions, the vaccine lowers risk of serious COVID complications and death. Why not lower the risk?