Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Unless you are over 65 and have 3 underlying conditions, your odds are extremely high that you will be fine from covid.

 

I would be in favor of universal pre-k for all children that want to do it. I am not a staunch republican whatsoever. I think there should be funds set aside for people with learning disabilities as well to go to special schools as well.

 

Prove it.

 

And if you want to improve your odds, regardless of age or physical condition? Get the vaccine.

 

Nope. Kid's don't need the vaccine unless they have underlying conditions, especially boys.

Also, if you already had covid you don't need the vaccine.

 

Stop with reality. We need to entice people to take new drugs still that were designed for a different spike protein than the current dominant strain of a virus.

Science!

 

The risk of myocarditis is greater with COVID infection. If I remember correctly, you only compared 28 days after 2nd vaccination versus 28 days after infection. While there were no cases of myocarditis 28 days after 2nd jab, there were myocarditis cases a month after initial infection. In short, you cherry-picked data. Regardless, as the link states:

But our experts also explain that the likelihood of developing myocarditis is not the only factor here: COVID-induced myocarditis can be more dangerous. A July 2021 CDC study found that the severity of these heart issues is worse for those who actually have COVID-19 vs those who were vaccinated.

“The overwhelming fraction of adolescent boys/young men with myocarditis after the mRNA vaccines have a mild disease with rapid recovery,” Dr. Zeichner says.​

To continue the point, the AMA points out the risk of MIS-C, which is a dangerous complication of myocarditis, is significantly higher in the unvaccinated, and the vaccine is 91% effective at preventing MIS-C.

As for my statement vaccination provides more protection, that's true for kids as well. From this article:

“The majority of our hospitalized kids are there because they weren’t eligible for the vaccine or they didn’t get it.”

— Yale Medicine pediatric infectious diseases specialist Thomas Murray, MD, PhD
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Even if you have already had COVID, while your risk is lower, you can still yet lower the risk by getting vaccinated. People who were vaccinated and had a breakthrough case, or those who first had a case and then got vaccinated have what they call super-immunity.

The combination of vaccine immunity and natural immunity—no matter in what order it occurs—gives people more protection than someone who had just one or the other, according to a follow-up OHSU study published earlier this week. ​

I stand by my statement. Best way to lower your odds of severe COVID is to get vaccinated, regardless of age or physical condition.

 

So let’s guarantee a potential myocarditis issue by taking a drug that does not stop you from getting the virus that is of almost no risk to the child. Want to make sure we get two chances at myocarditis. Brilliant! As that is the basic thought process elicited here.

 

If nobody is suggesting it, natural immunity is not a strategy. Let me ask you this, what does the science say about getting the vaccine after being infected? Does it improve immunity compared to a prior infection alone?

 

The risk of getting myocarditis from infection is significantly lower than the vaccine. The vaccine lowers said risk of myocarditis from infection by 91X. Therefore, the risk is lower from vaccine. Not to mention, the risk of MIS-C, the worst complications from myocarditis exists with infection. It's practically zero with vaccine.

Lower risk, better outcomes, all from the vaccine.

 

Nope, this was proven before for males between 12-29. I posted the data showing it. You are wrong, again. You think it's just by chance they moved the time period between shots, especially for males? You literally believe anything you read. It's why you were wrong on school closures and natural immunity as well as wanting kids vaccinated.

 

The cdc has ignored natural immunity unlike the vast majority of the world. In doing so they have dictated authoritarian policy to try and coerce people into taking a new drug they are not comfortable taking. Knowing they are more protected than a vaccinated person. Yet some wants others to put their body to work for a possible small therapeutic benefit when they already have a robust protection that is better than vaccination.

The damage done to public health is going to be generational from the purposeful ignoring of science.

 

I notice that you didn't answer either question, but rather went on your usual generic rant. So how about it, what are the answers to the two questions that I asked.

 

I answered it. You don’t like the answer. Because you are more concerned with coercing people into doing something.

 

The CDC increased the time period between shots to lower the risk of myocarditis. I approve. Why not lower the risks as much as possible? And isn't that what taking the vaccine does?

I believe what I read from credible sources. Experts with advanced degrees and years worth of experience, that all have come to a consensus on certain things. Unlike you, who have opinions, and only listen to those who agree with you, while ignoring all other data.

Here's another article, co-authored by a Professor of Molecular Cardiology and a Professor of Pediatric Cardiology who say the risk of myocarditis is higher from infection, and encouraging all eligible to get vaccinated. Why should I listen to you over these experts? And all the other experts from the other articles?

 

You are quoting numbers that are admitted by the CDC aren't correct. Counting someone in the hospital for a broken leg who happens to test positive for covid isn't a covid hospitalization. You can keep trying to fear monger, but luckily most of the country has moved on from people like you. Most parents are saying no to the vaccine for young kids. Masks don't work. Anyone with a brain knows that. You keep spreading fear, the rest of us have been living normal lives for over a year now.

 

As a numbers guy, I will do anything that will increase my odds of not getting it. I've been jabbed 3 times and will get the 4th one later this year when they announce it. I fly 100 times a year so my odds of catching it are greater than most, so I'll be lining up for jab #1984 if I'm alive.

P.S. Even after 3 jabs, I too got the vid two weeks ago. Not a single symptom before during or after my positive test and 3 subsequent negative tests.

I think I had no symptoms and didn't feel bad is because I got jabbed 3 times. - Playing the odds!

 

No, you really didn't. This is a yes/no question:

Does the vaccine improve immunity compared to a prior infection alone?

Yes or no.

 

Anyone with COVID who is hospitalized for any reason is going to be tested. That's because COVID is a communicable disease, and there are often immunocompromised people in the same hospital that need to be isolated. Regardless, do you really think there was an increase in pediatric broken legs last month? And that's the reason we broke pediatric COVID hospitalizations? And again, the majority of these kids in hospitals were unvaccinated, as 1/3 were under 5, and weren't eligible, and the overwhelming majority over 5 weren't vaccinated.

The vaccine is about lowering risks. Even if half the kids in the hospital with COVID were there for non-COVID reasons, we still broke records last month. And the vaccine would have likely prevented a significant number of those hospital visits.

These are facts. Backed by doctors and other medical professionals. Here's some more from a NEJM study:

Only 2 patients who had been admitted to an ICU and none of the 7 children who died had been fully vaccinated. The vaccine effectiveness was 94% for the prevention of Covid-19 hospitalization and 98% for the prevention of both ICU admission and need for life support. These extremely encouraging data indicate that nearly all hospitalizations and deaths in this population could have been prevented by vaccination.​

Again, the risk of me dying in a car accident my next trip if I don't have my seat belt on is extremely low. But I wear one every time because it's no hassle, and lowers my risk even more as compared to not wearing one. Want to lower your risk of COVID complications? Get vaccinated.

 

It is only a yes or no question if your intent is to coerce people to do something you want them to.

I answered there is a potential therapeutic response one might get. Very few things are black and white in medicine. You unfortunately will not acknowledge this reality.

The data speaks and shows that boosters are not necessary for most. That does not mean someone should not get one either. That is up to them and their risk tolerance based on the data. Sadly we have scared people into some unnecessary decisions.