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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. l_boy

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    Please do not lie about what I said.
     
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  2. gator95

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  3. gator95

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    Lie about what? You are trying to blame me as "part of the problem". What "problem"? That I don't think kids should be vaccinated? That NI is vastly superior to just the vaccine? That Covid hospitalizations and deaths aren't correct? Sorry man, but you willing believing whatever the CDC says as gospel is the "problem". They've shown themselves to be playing politics. That's your issue that you can't see it. And yes, it is a definitive statement that the CDC should release any and all data, good or bad. Hiding it like they've done is garbage.
     
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  4. Tjgators

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    You know what is really interesting is that the CDC is not refuting the numbers and injuries in VAERS. There have been approx. 25,000 deaths reported now and over a million injuries. The CDC does investigate those deaths and yet have not come out claiming any of these reports to be false or misleading.
     
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  5. pkaib01

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    That's not remotely interesting to me. But I understand the intent and use of the VAERS system.

    It would be a full time job for the CDC to refute all the morons that reach the wrong conclusions of plainly labeled data. I mean, have you noticed the sheer number of morons amongst us?
     
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  6. mutz87

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    There's no excuse for the lack of understanding about VAERS and why the CDC doesn't respond to all the misuse of the data. Mind-boggling how defiant people are in even trying to grasp the most basic of facts. Never mind that the CDC and FDA moved immediately when they detected problems with the J&J vaccine wrt blood clots and with vaccinations and myocarditis.
     
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  7. gator95

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    Who knew that Alcohol, cocaine and covid don't mix? People still cling to these covid numbers like they are real.

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  8. AzCatFan

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    VAERS is an early warning system only. Anyone can report anything to VAERS, and while it is illegal to report things like a vaccine turned you into the Incredible Hulk, things like this have been reported on VAERS. And the time/effort to track down the people responsible just isn't worth it.

    Back in 2017, the CDC reported that about 7,700 American citizens passed a day on average. We also know the majority of these people were over 65 years old. In addition, the first citizens to get the vaccine were first responders, essential workers, and people 65 and older. I can guarantee you there were likely thousands of people who died within 6 months of getting a vaccine, but it had nothing to do with the vaccine. It's just thousands of people die a day, mostly older, who were the same people getting the vaccine.

    The J&J vaccine does run a higher risk of blood clots in women of birthing age. 9 deaths out of thousands given, and yes, first reported in VAERS. Know what the CDC did in response? Directed medical professionals not to give J&J shots to women until the local supply of J&J shots ran out. Then, the CDC seeing we had plenty of Moderna and Pfizer vaccine supply took the J&J shot off the American market.

    There have been a few reported deaths from the two mRNA vaccines. But it's a single person here, and a single reported story there. Nothing on any large scale whatsoever. Meanwhile, the vaccine is doing a great job at saving lives. The chart says it all.

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  9. Tjgators

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    Many of those morons would be doctors reporting the deaths. I haven't noticed the sheer number of morons but the sheep are a plenty.
     
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  10. pkaib01

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    Yes. The healthcare providers were required to report all serious, adverse events. The were required to do so regardless of whether they thought it was related to the virus. These broader COVID reporting requirements, compared to other vaccines, were one reason for the seemingly inflated death numbers. I hope that's not too complex for you to digest.
     
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  11. l_boy

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    I’ve posted something similar but this guy goes into a lot more detail.

    https://www.covid-datascience.com/p...-death-rate-for-the-usa-vaccinated-population

    To interpret in relation to vaccination, if vaccines were given at a random time, we would expect ~7k people to die the day of vaccination by random chance alone, even if the vaccines were perfectly safe and causing no deaths, >49k to die the week of vaccination, and >210k to die within a month of vaccination. These are the background rates of death for the vaccinated subpopulation of the USA.
     
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  12. Tjgators

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    What? They were required to do so regardless of whether they thought it was related to the virus? So, what percentage of doctors followed this? Are you one of these doctors that were given this option?
     
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  13. pkaib01

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    Here are the instructions to doctors for VAERS with the special instructions for the Covid vaccines:

    VAERS - Report an Adverse Event

    "The reporting requirements for COVID-19 vaccines are the same for those authorized under emergency use or fully approved. Healthcare providers who administer COVID-19 vaccines are required by law to report the following to VAERS:

    • Vaccine administration errors, whether or not associated with an adverse event (AE).
      • If the incorrect mRNA COVID-19 vaccine product was inadvertently administered for a second dose in a 2-dose series, VAERS reporting is required.
      • If a different product from the primary series is inadvertently administered for the additional or booster (third dose), VAERS reporting is required.
      • VAERS reporting is not required for the following situations:
        • If a mixed series is given intentionally (e.g., due to hypersensitivity to a vaccine ingredient)
        • Mixing and matching of booster doses (as of October 21, 2021, mixing and matching of booster doses is allowed)
    • Serious AEs regardless of whether the reporter thinks the vaccine caused the AE. Serious AEs per FDA are defined as:
      • Death
      • A life-threatening AE
      • Inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization
      • A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions
      • A congenital anomaly/birth defect
      • An important medical event that based on appropriate medical judgement may jeopardize the individual and may require medical or surgical intervention to prevent one of the outcomes listed above
    • Cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome
    • Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death
    Healthcare providers are encouraged to report to VAERS any additional clinically significant AEs following vaccination, even if they are not sure whether the vaccine caused the event.

    Healthcare providers should also report any additional selected AEs and/or any revised safety reporting requirements per FDA's conditions of authorized use of vaccine(s) throughout the duration of any COVID-19 vaccine's Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) or any approved COVID-19 vaccine as outlined in the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers."

    There are a plethora of accessible articles on the purpose, use and interpretation of VAERS. I invite you to examine them to understand how the top of the reporting funnel is not equivalent to the bottom.
     
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  14. gator95

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    That is all true, what is also true is anyone who dies within 2 weeks of getting the vaccine is considered "not vaccinated" for terms of counts. Must be good for the drug companies to make up a random time to not have to count towards a certain death.
     
  15. AzCatFan

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    Random time? Try science.

    But immunity to the coronavirus doesn’t just magically manifest the day someone gets a shot. The CDC does not grant membership to the “fully vaccinated” club until at least two weeks after the final dose in a vaccine regimen—a time that roughly corresponds to when most people are thought to acquire enough immunity to defend against a symptomatic case of COVID-19.
    The article goes on to explain all vaccines work this way. It takes time for your immune system to respond.
     
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  17. gator95

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    And what do you know, the CDC is saying to spread out the vaccine for males from 12-39 due to myocarditis risk. Wish someone on this thread brought that issue up 6 months ago...

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  18. BLING

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    Some of those outlier counties are crazy. They are very tiny dots, which means they are small towns or very small cities. But still rather incredible to see. Imagine if the whole country were that bad, that level of failure would almost certainly lead to economic collapse just on population loss, let alone disruptions to economic activity.
     
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