Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Umm we were talking about infection.
My point for months has been vaccine mandates and passports are not warranted since the vaccine is not stopping spread of Omicron.

Also, Israel is many months form Boosters which is why they are now spiking in hospitalizations.

Many European countries are much more recent in boosters.

 

How typical of some posters to almost post accurately. In this case we'd have enjoyed the first almost valid post by this poster if he'd simply added one single letter... an "r" to the word "safe". So close. Sigh

 

"I'm confused and scared. Somebody hug me."

 

sorry, gotta social distance...

 

My bad, that’s what I get for multitasking!

I agree that we all have been or will be exposed to omicron and that we should follow Denmark’s lead in dropping all COVID restrictions at this point.

 

Groundhog saw his shadow.

12 more months of Covid.

 

Brilliant!

 

and fauci...

 

I would think this would be terribly difficult to get real usable data out of it. You take New York - as a major metropolitan area they got hit early and hard, plus compounded by the whole nursing home thing. Once they locked down after a while their death rate plummeted. So how do they measure that? What time period do you include? And how do you compare it to somewhere else with a completely different situation like Texas?Some places in Europe were similar to NYC city in that they were hit before they had time to react.

It could be that some specific decisions partially or even fully negated whatever benefits of lockdown there may be.

You only have to look at the Far East to see that interventions can make big difference, but they knew what they were doing after the original SARS scare. We can probably learn more about what to do from examining what they did and didn’t do. Plus an intervention can only be successful if most people buy into it like in the Eastern countries. In the US, and a lesser degree in Europe, there were always people resisting the containment efforts.

It is also interesting that the flu was almost non-existent, which suggests interventions may have played a role in reducing it.

One of the authors is part of the CATO institute. Certainly not a disqualifier but gives one pause as to the objectivity of the approach.

You can certainly debate the cost benefit of the various actions taken. Plus there is the further complication that when it hangs around for 2 years and just becomes more virulent unless you are going to lockdown for 2 years It may just end up catching up with you. India took action and seemed successful, they declared victory then got absolutely slammed by Delta.

 

Unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die of Covid-19 than those with a booster, CDC director says

People who are not vaccinated against Covid-19 are 97 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than people who are vaccinated and boosted, according to data presented Wednesday by US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky.

 

A headache and sore throat sounds pretty safe to me.

 

Ya the CDC has been so reliable…

anyhow is that age adjusted?
Is that against Omicron?
Good thing even unvaccinated have less than a 1% chance of being hospitalized. 96 times more is not so scary when you know a extremely small amount of those who get Covid don’t end up with serious illnesses.

 

Again, I am puzzled by your motivations for posts like these. You frequently try to undercut measures of vaccine effectiveness and frequently fail doing so. Why is it so important to you to that people not get vaccinated?

If you have questions about the CDC data, google it.

BTW... the 96x measure was relative to deaths, not hospitalizations. Also, using your upper bound, 96x of 1% is 96%. That a laughably poor demonstration of your point. Put in a little effort and find the actual hospitalization rate for the vaccinated.

The 7 day average of deaths stands a 2,400.

 

900,000 dead Americans and people still post garbage like this.

 

If you are going to call my post garbage, back that up with some actual substance.
Nothing I said was wrong.
CDC has been back and fourth on many of their guidances.
CDC botched early testing.
CDC just recently acknowledged natural immunity.

Her recent comments about 96 times more likely to die sounds scary but doesn’t put anything into context.

Also, here is where you can read on less than 1% Americans end up hospitalized.

U.S. Adults' Estimates of COVID-19 Hospitalization Risk

oh and by the way, this was after the summer delta wave and before the less deadly Omicron wave.

Take your insults away and actually post something of substance so we can perhaps have an intelligent conversation.

 

Over 16k dead per week because they buy into the misinformation. So unnecessary. Not sure how that is funny

 

No! We must stop all relevant life and get boostered. If you do that we will still claim and share stories (mind you some will be of someone who had recovered and others will not have the official cause of death) that if someone was vaccinated they would not be dead. Yet when we get the good data…a majority of deaths are in the vaccinated.

Get outside. Exercise. Eat healthy.

You will do far more good for yourself whether it be for Covid or just living life.

Sorry…meant to say Booster Up!

 

That’s because you fail to put the full picture and data into context. You want to achieve Covid zero.

First, I have repeated many times that those who are older and those with health issues should get the vaccine. At this point, most of those people have been vaccinated.
Second, I’m strictly against forcing vaccines.


Now that I have said that about twenty times. You want to talk about 2.4k deaths per day but fail to highlight that cases are substantially higher.
Florida for example peaked at 17k hospitalizations while we peaked at 23k cases a day during delta.
During Omicron, we had 7 day average peak at 84k cases while we never touched 12k hospitalization.
Another point is our death average throughout Omicron is slightly less than higher vaccinated and most mandated states like NY.

But hey, fear porn it away man.

 

Point out my misinformation please.

 

Your whole approach at this is utter horseshit.

Let's recap. @G8trGr8t posts an article that includes the stat that the unvaccinated are 96x more likely to die. You don't like this number and, for some reason, try to discredit it. You first state the CDC date is unreliable. Then you question the CDC's methodology if the number is reliable. Ad hominem.

Then you falsely apply the 96x stat to hospitalizations. As if being hospitalized is somehow the same as dying. Misappropriation of facts and a false equivalency.

Then you claim I wanted to "achieve Covid zero", a position I've never remotely taken. That's putting words in my mouth and also a fallacious tactic. Bad boy.

I fail to highlight hospitalizations because it's immaterial to the metric at hand. I also didn't talk about my breakfast.

Then you double down on "context" by asserting that even though we are at 2.4K daily deaths, cases are much higher. As if somehow that's relevant to the original risk stat. That's a red herring.

You close by accusing me of fear mongering. Not ad hominem, per se, but childish attempt to discredit and get the last word in.

As for the veracity of the CDC's stat, it jives with England's published 95x multiple for the unvaccinated.

Please resist the urge to throw more sophistry at me.