Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Good find. There is always a price to pay; and, per this study by Johns Hopkins it appears the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze.

As I wrote previously, Trump missed the mark by not separating CDC’s responsibility (control disease) and his responsibility (general public welfare) - initially they may have intersected; but, ultimately how we govern our lives in not left up to an unelected bureaucrat…until the last two years.

 

How are our lives being "govern"ed by a unelected bureaucrat?

Also, aren't judges, including those on the Supreme Court, "unelected"?

In fair disclosure, I think the demonizing of Fauci is a sad commentary on people's inability to handle the complexities of the real world. Very sad.

 

Vaccinated boosted and got the damn Covid again, this is the second time so far only have a headache and a sore throat

 

All... note the Y axis's logarithmic scale

 

fauci is evil. I tried for the longest time to think he was ignorant. I have moved my opinion to evil.

 

Dr. Fauci is somewhere between “ignorant” and “evil”. Intradesting.

Now let’s hear your hot take on a certain former President who opined if Americans should inject bleach, or if he could use the military “seize the voting machines”.

Let me guess. Stable genius. Patriot.

 

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QGator2414
fauci is evil. I tried for the longest time to think he was ignorant. I have moved my opinion to evil.
pakib01
In fair disclosure, I think the demonizing of Fauci is a sad commentary on people's inability to handle the complexities of the real world. Very sad.

And?

My opinion is based on what has happened. I have provided video of fauci being interviewed by Rubenstein from May of 2019 in which he actually gave sound advice on how to deal with infectious disease. I tried through the beginning to give him the benefit of the doubt of trying to do the right thing through his flip flops. And now that this disease defined doing exactly what fauci said in 2019 and to see him continue to push through for his 15 minutes of fame is evil.

What is sad is that people allow propaganda to control them and fail to handle the complexities of the world.

 

That last line is hilarious coming from a horse paster and bleach believer.

 

I love ignorant posts like this. The let others know who and what they are dealing with.

 

Agreed for example your rainbow wig and giant red nose give you away.

 

Did this study look internationally? Seems to me the fully committed countries did indeed hold their deaths substantially lower. So I cannot buy this argument… at all. Will be interesting to see what other people have to say about this paper.

In the U.S. we never truly “locked down”, and there was very poor compliance on any of this in the first place. For all the people looking at Australia as some sort of crazed authoritarian state, they actually outperformed the U.S. in BOTH 2020 GDP *and* a substantially lower death rate. Other countries with “zero tolerance covid policy” did the same. All of them had lower death rates by far. This leads us to the opposite conclusion of this paper.

Not that I’m suggesting we should have followed the models of those countries exactly. I think the bigger mistake we made, is several times we wanted to pretend the pandemic was 100% over, instead of exercising common sense. We did this with the April-May Trump calls to “liberate”, as soon as we saw the initial curve flattening. We did it again after vaccinations rolled out. We did it in the lull before the Delta wave. That was an especially deadly mistake for the unvaccinated, or the Fox News watching senior citizens. Even assuming lockdowns were going too far (certainly not sustainable for extended period) there should be personal vigilance, aka personal responsibility. Seems the cons idea of personal responsibility is “it’s someone else’s responsibility”.

 

Whats the latest update on JFK’s resurrection?

 

Did you really just link something through Dec 4th in regards to Omicron?? You should check on more recent data...
Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against Omicron or Delta infection

Results We included 3,442 Omicron-positive cases, 9,201 Delta-positive cases, and 471,545 test-negative controls. After 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccine, vaccine effectiveness against Delta infection declined steadily over time but recovered to 93% (95%CI, 92-94%) ≥7 days after receiving an mRNA vaccine for the third dose. In contrast, receipt of 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines was not protective against Omicron. Vaccine effectiveness against Omicron was 37% (95%CI, 19-50%) ≥7 days after receiving an mRNA vaccine for the third dose.

Also, the most vaccinated place on earth (on round 4 of shots), Isreal, is breaking all kinds of records at the moment.

 

Yes and particularly at Europe and the US.

I read the study last night in full. A lot to go through and haven't formed any hard conclusions, but I will point out that the study was a meta-analysis in which the authors excluded over over 80 studies from analyses (it's not uncommon to exclude), at least three that used a quasi-experimental design, one of which found vastly different results than the meta-analysis. I mention this for 3 reasons:

1. While meta-analsys studies are enticing and their findings cannot and should not be immediately dismissed, they are fraught with threats to validity in trying to measure things that use different research designs that should make people hold onto some skepticism. IMO a higher bar.

2. Determining the effects of a lockdown vs the tendency of any population to behave in certain ways is a challenge--and thus the authors excluded a few dozen studies in which they could not make make such a distinction.

3. To bring together 1 & 2, the inclusion or exclusion of multiple or even a single study can significantly change results.

None of this is to pooh pooh the study, only that it shouldn't be thought of as conclusive.

 

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but fauci said you would be safe, the vaccine makers said you would be safe, sleepy joe said you would be safe, how could they be wrong,oh the horror of it all......