Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

The old October 29 politicfact that confirms exactly what Berenson said. And the trend continued. Now hopefully we can get the November and December numbers….

 

Not leaky ones that science is turning on.

Horowitz: The very concerning data from Scotland

 

It doesn’t matter for what they are comparing. Because the data shows that infected and vaxxed have the best immunity of all.

 

The US data for the vaccines used in the US don’t support your conclusion. Scotland uses Astra Zeneca in addition to Phizer and Moderna, so you would have to remove the vaccine we don’t use from the data to try to generalize. Especially as to infection rates and severe illness rates across age groups. And, as the infection rate lowers (as it has in Scotland), the unvaccinated will have been infected. But until you get near the end of the wave, you would not see that. And there is nothing in that story about severe illness. I am not going to read the study, so I will presume the Blaze reported it accurately.

 

I honestly don't care any more. If the horse pasters want to take the Meat Loaf route to a dirt nap, I say, "faster pussycat, kill, kill."

 

I had not heard about the invermictin. Link? He was a rabid anti-vaxed, anti- masker who was unafraid and want going to let restrictions reign on his freedom. He lived free, unafraid, played the odds and ended up on the wrong end of the lower risk rate. Maybe higher for him because he was 74 and asthmatic. But, he died living the way he chose to.
Meat Loaf was anti-vaccine mandate, reportedly seriously ill with COVID before death

 

Case rate disclaimer from from the very sources referenced by this article:

"A simple comparison of COVID-19 case rates in those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated should not be used to assess how effective a vaccine is in preventing serious health outcomes. This is because these figures are susceptible to a number of differences between the groups, other than the vaccine itself, and these biases mean that you cannot use the rates to determine how well the vaccines work.

If we look at the numbers of cases in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people, the rate of cases in the vaccinated people appears higher for many age groups. This is because there are key differences in the characteristics and behaviour of individuals who are vaccinated compared to those who are unvaccinated. The rates therefore reflect this population's behaviour and exposure to COVID-19, not how well the vaccines work. We also know that, as infection rates have been high over the summer, many people were previously infected, and this has had an impact on the rate of infection in recent weeks.

Several important factors can affect the rates of diagnosed COVID-19 cases and this may result in a lower rate in unvaccinated than in vaccinated people. For example:

• People who are fully vaccinated may be more health conscious and therefore more likely to get tested for COVID-19 and so more likely to be identified as a case (based on the data provided by the NHS Test and Trace).
• Many of those who were at the head of the queue for vaccination are those at higher risk from COVID-19 due to their age, their occupation, their family circumstances or because of underlying health issues.
• People who are fully vaccinated and people who are unvaccinated may behave differently, particularly with regard to social interactions and therefore may have differing levels of exposure to COVID-19.
• People who have never been vaccinated are more likely to have caught COVID-19 in the weeks or months before the period of the cases covered in the report. This gives them some natural immunity to the virus for a few months which may have contributed to a lower case rate in the past few weeks."

Transparency and data – UKHSA’s vaccines report - UK Health Security Agency

Also, from last week's report in Scotland on hospitalizations (not cases).

"In the last week from 08 January to 14 January 2022, in an age-standardised population, the rate of acute COVID-19 related hospital admissions in individuals that received a booster or third dose of a COVID-19 vaccine was between 2.3 to 3.9 times lower than in individuals who are unvaccinated or have only received one or two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine" (emphasis mine)

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11223/22-01-19-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf

I don't recommend getting Heath information from "The Blaze".

 

The last bullet point is the point I made. Recent illness leads to convalescent immunity and Scotland is ahead of the US in the time Omicron has been transmitting. Plus, the Scotland data reflects summer infections and that is Delta. There are areas where Delta has not hit the US; it hit Florida and in the South, but not heavily elsewhere. And the US is a much larger country, with waves hitting areas of the country at different times. Not to mention that Scotland uses Astra Zeneca. Also, more recent data reflected in the last paragraph you posted shows that the vaccines protect against severe illness as opposed to the severity of illness of the unvaccinated. That is the key metric. But, some people look at sources that reinforce their bias without looking at data that contradicts it or the motivating factors in a study. Blaze did not report the mitigating data in this study.

 

Lol @ “we”

As if you’re taking any covid vaccine.

“Here’s the good news” - you can be as selfish as you want to be. Nobody is going to make you do anything.

 

Don't assume Blaze reports anything without extreme bias, and questionable facts. Media fact check:

• Overall, we rate The Blaze strongly Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories and numerous failed fact checks.

 

Including viewing your posts

 

I never said he took it. I'm saying the other morons that do.

 

Q is stubborn in the extreme He seized upon the wrong method of analysis and continues to repeatedly use it. It's not stupidity. It's a psychological inability to change course and admit (to himself) that he is wrong after so heavily investing in his position already. He won't be convinced of being wrong because he can't be convinced, regardless how much evidence that keeps being put before him.

Look at how he responded about Berenson, who clearly made the same mistake he keeps making. No scientist worth their salt would make the same mistake despite their argument about percentages being true (!) ...because the error is so glaringly obvious.

 

Dr. Fauci reports that things are getting better. Omicron should be in decline almost everywhere by mid-February and the decline will be steep. So, we will get there whether people get vaccinated or not now. He noted the decline in the east. (Declining in Florida too, though not mentioned).
Fauci says he's confident most states reach peak of omicron in mid-February

 

An invitation for honest discourse about real data . . . . . and predictably it went ignored.

 

It is real and supported by the data. Working in the medical field surely you understand that.

Are you saying that the medical establishment and media should suppress such information because it might hurt somebody's feelings?

 

These are great ideas. Whomever has this on their platform is guaranteed my vote.

 

It is so frustrating that people just get in tunnel vision on this stuff. I think for a short period there was reason for the high risk group to take these drugs. But that is all. We were never going to vaccinate our way out of this. And now we are using drugs that provide a few weeks of potential protection and maybe some therapeutic help and were designed for a variant that is long gone.

Covid is likely here for the rest of our lives. The best way to fight it/the flu/any virus for that matter is to live a healthy life. From there use drugs if they are something for that person. I might be wrong. But I think we will end up with something not mRNA based when it is all said and done for the covid shot going forward. Two reasons. One it looks like the effectiveness wanes way too quick. Two the messaging and rollout have caused a massive trust problem (they are leaky). We will see.

 

You have no clue the decision I will make for me.

And thankfully I am blessed to not be in a position where coercion could be part of the discussion.

Sadly I think you are okay with coercing people who do not have the ability to make an open decision for themself.

You are the selfish one for sure…