Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

While I'm not saying vaccines are dangerous, there is no data for you to base the bolded statements on.

 

Vast majority of Peds admits are with COVID not due to COVID.

 

Been saying this for over a year. It’s rather basic actually. But it’s great to see them finally acknowledge it.



what cracks me up is even CNN is still running opposite of what the data shows

 

The article said that hospitalizations were prevented better by vaccination than by previous infections (which is still a stupid comparison unless you are arguing for a strategy of infecting people). That is true if you read the paper. BTW, if you were saying this for the last year, you were saying it when it was false, as the study also mentions that your claim wasn't true until the spread of delta.

 

That make a lot of sense.

 

This is only an important issue in right wing circles. It is practically irrelevant unless you are vaccine hesitant.

 

Link? You understand that 92.67% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

 

Amazing that the idiots do not understand that you actually had to get infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus for you to acquire survivor based immunity. Whomever this doctor is, if he is a real doctor, should have his license taken away.

 

Not true. While there remains a remote chance that the vaccine will have side effects outside of 6 weeks after the jab, there is plenty of data suggesting it won't happen. We know that even annual vaccination shots have no long lasting side effects, as there have been people getting annual flu shots for years, without long term side effects. We also know the inert ingredients in the vaccine, and they have all been studies for decades. No side effects here either. The mRNA found in the vaccine is the same strand found in the virus itself. It's possible this could cause long-term side effects, but if true, then those infected with COVID will have a greater chance of the same effect. Why? Because again, same mRNA found in the virus, and while the mRNA vaccine contains one copy, each virus contains a copy, meaning an infected person would have millions, instead of one.

Nobody knows what the future holds. And you never say never when it comes to science. But this article, and this one are good reads if you are worried about long term side effects from the vaccine. Again, we know what injecting something with mRNA to invoke an immune response year after year is not an issue. We also know the inert ingredients in the vaccine aren't issues either, and all ingredients, mRNA and other organics all break down within half a day and leave the body.

 

Is that because the vast majority of Peds admissions are based on symptoms of unknown root cause, so this is actually more "BS fun with symantics and statistics"?? And, in fact, had the peds not had COVID then they would not have been admitted??

Sure would like to see actual links with actual data to back up these kinds of statements.

 

I think your bolded statement he was quoting says the opposite of what you intended to say.

 

How the time of day you take your COVID test might affect your results

But new research shows the time of day you take your COVID test may play a factor in your results.

“We may be getting a lot of false negative results,” explained Ben Stobbe, Assistant Vice Chancellor for EXCEL Clinical Stimulation.

According to research by Vanderbilt University, the time of day you take your COVID test may play a role in how accurate your test results are. The researchers found COVID test results were up to two times as likely to have an accurate positive test result if they tested in the middle of the day compared to night.

That’s because COVID-19 virus shedding, or when infected cells release infectious virus particles into the blood and mucus, appear to be more active in the middle of the day due to the body’s natural circadian rhythm.

 

Since new generation vaccines are not here, we need to focus on getting people vaccinated bc the current vaccines save hella lot of lives. Why I said you're confused is because it is not about the percentage of deaths of the entire population, but about rates & percentage deaths of respective populations. Using percentages of the entire population only serves to distort understanding. If all of England were vaccinated, the vaccinated would comprise 100% of covid deaths. But that wouldn't be an indictment of vaccines because being vaccinated drastically reduces the likelihood of dying from covid in the first place compared to being unvaccinated. That's what the rates show.

 

How so? Public health and policies should be based on data and sound medical science. Forcing everyone to take a vaccine just because “why not it doesn’t hurt” is not good public health policy.

 

This is not hey get infected to get NI. This is hey why should recognize that millions have already had COVID. So maybe as we make public policy on forcing mandates let’s consider NI…

Sad most of you go right into identity politics.

 

Okay, let's consider it. A person been infected. Based on this research, does the person lower their infection and hospitalization risk by taking the vaccine?

 

Not only that, but it doesn't impact some people very hard at all. One of my kids has had it twice now, and each time it was no worse than a cold (literally the only two times he has had any bug over the past two years...pretty normal). His pediatrician says that it's not necessary for him to be vaccinated, and that is good enough for his parents.

Would it hurt? Probably not, but is it necessary? It doesn't appear to be. Why not let his body handle it naturally like we do so many other bugs? I get the "it's for others also" approach, and that's one of the reasons I am vaccinated, but I'm not signing my kids up for the "it's for the others also" angle. He can make that decision when he pays for his healthcare.

I understand the uncertainty and even the trepidation by folks who have had a different experience or perhaps even any yet at all, but for others, we are not only seeing things play out naturally, but also adhering to the guidance of the doctor that knows more than any other doctors or scientists about our children and the threats they face.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

In pretty much all cases, prior infection or not, you are better off having been vaccinated. There is no benefit from not being vaccinated. This is only important to people who don't want to take the vax.

 

There isn't any good argument against having a fully vaccinated public, not if based on science anyway since vaccines still offer upwards of 90% protection against severe illness and death. I know you mentioned earlier that "people die." Well sure, that's the fate for all of us. But we no longer need to die much earlier than we might otherwise have by choosing to remain completely unprotected from a virus that can kill even some of the protected. The reasoning is similar to requiring people to wear a seatbelt. None of us are guaranteed to live through an accident with a seatbelt on, but the numbers demonstrate that we sure as heck have a much higher probability.

 

Comparing the vaccinated to the vaccinated and the unvaccinated to the unvaccinated...ever since England had over 50% of the population vaccinated. The deaths per 100000 have been higher in the vaccinated group. Shoot. Even before that. Now if we throw January in the highest death month they ever had...it makes the vaccine look great since there were so few therapeutics and so few fully vaccinated. While there is no perfect way to look at this...it is becoming quite clear that these new drugs are pointless now with omicron. Everyone vaccinated and unvaccinated are taking the monoclonals now. I would argue the monoclonals have a much larger impact on the outcome for someone who gets covid now.

But here are the numbers from Jan - Sept to add to the ones I provided for Oct. Mind you there was less than one million vaccinated people in January and February on the last day of each month (494K January and 816K February). Like you mentioned. If you have basically 100% of the population unvaccinated...they are going to make up the majority of cases. But once we get to May...The deaths per 100,000 shift to be higher for the vaccinated when comparing to the vaccinated and comparing the unvaccinated to the unvaccinated.

Jan 31 Vaccinated Population 494000 with 11 deaths. Per 100000= 2.23
Jan 31 Unvaccinated Population 66726000 with 24366 deaths. Per 100000= 36.52

Feb 28 Vaccinated Population 816000 with 62 deaths. Per 100000= 7.60
Feb 28 Unvaccinated Population 66404000 with 7697 deaths. Per 100000= 11.59

Mar 31 Vaccinated Population 4513000 with 35 deaths. Per 100000= 0.78
Mar 31 Unvaccinated Population 62707000 with 1320 deaths. Per 100000= 2.11

Now Delta begins to arrive in the UK

Covid: Why has the Delta variant spread so quickly in UK? - BBC News

Apr 30 Vaccinated Population 14957000 with 60 deaths. Per 100000= 0.40
Apr 30 Unvaccinated Population 52263000 with 245 deaths. Per 100000= 0.47

May 31 Vaccinated Population 25730000 with 72 death. Per 100000= 0.28
May 31 Unvaccinated Population 41485000 with 79 deaths. Per 100000= 0.19

June 30 Vaccinated Population 33048000 with 163 deaths. Per 100000= 0.49
June 30 Unvaccinated Population 34172000 with 95 deaths. Per 100000= 0.28

July 31 Vaccinated Population 38322000 with 741 deaths. Per 100000= 1.93
July 31 Unvaccinated Population 28898000 with 329 deaths. Per 100000= 1.14

Aug 31 Vaccinated Population 42910000 with 1540 deaths. Per 100000= 3.59
Aug 31 Unvaccinated Population 24310000 with 573 deaths. Per 100000= 2.36

Sept 30 Vaccinated Population 44902000 with 2014 deaths. Per 100000= 4.49
Sept 30 Unvaccinated Population 22298000 with 481 deaths. Per 100000= 2.16

And as I showed Oct is 4.79 vaccinated and 1.83 unvaccinated deaths per 100000. Now I ignored the population that was in the middle of getting shots through this calculation. So I just took the vaccinated number at the end of the month and assumed everyone else was unvaccinated. I just used the vaccinated deaths and unvaccinated deaths. So there will be a small error likely but I also ignored the deaths in the two groups that were partially vaccinated. But the story is quite clear. Once delta variant hit...these drugs became ineffective. Let's not forget...many of the vaccinated and unvaccinated who unfortunately passed away as we got to the later months very well could have sought monoclonals at some point. There are so many factor involved. That said...the new drugs everyone refers to as a vaccine are just not holding up.