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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. coleg

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    Perhaps you could get someone to explain your statement:
    "At this point omicron really does appear to be a shift to omicold. And that is good news. "
    with the actual data of increased pediatric hospitalizations..... then get back to us.
     
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  2. AzCatFan

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    Let's go with half of all pediatric COVID hospitalizations are there for other reasons, and just tested positive in the hospital. And COVID was no reason at all for the hospital visit. Let's also go with the vaccine stopping 90% of pediatric COVID hospitalizations when COVID is the actual cause. That would mean 45% less pediatric hospital visits for every kid with COVID, regardless if COVID was the reason or not. Why is preventing this many pediatric hospitalizations a bad thing?

    And you can seem to grasp the concept that even if the initial reason for hospitalization is not COVID, COVID could be causing complications with the original diagnosis that is part of the reason for the need to be hospitalized. It's been linked before, but here's the piece from the Atlantic.
     
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  3. QGator2414

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    Fear monger is going to fear...
     
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  4. gator95

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    Fear mongering won't stop, can't stop. LOL. Too funny. It's you and the lefty . The rest of the country is having normal school with zero masks, sports with no masks and eating lunch inside and not outside in 30degree weather like the nutjob states.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    Please explain why advocating for a vaccine that would keep a significant number of kids out of the hospital is fear mongering? Is advocating proper child seats and seat belts fear mongering? What about proper athletic equipment for kids?

    Again, why is keeping at minimum, 45% of the kids currently in the hospital from needing hospitalization a bad thing?
     
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  6. gator95

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    Healthy kids aren't ending up in the hospital in any significant numbers at all. They don't need the vaccine. It's really that simple. Especially when weighing the myocarditis risk along with the short efficacy of the vaccine itself. You refuse to account for Natural Immunity, which in May of 2021 was estimated around 40% in children. Now I'm sure that number is close to 75% or higher. You keep bringing up hospitalizations but when i show you they are lower than a normal year you try to move the goal posts.
     
  7. AzCatFan

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    Just because COVID pediatric hospitalizations may be lower than other diseases doesn't mean two things:
    1. Pediatric COVID hospitalizations are rising
    2. A significant portion of COVID hospitalizations are preventable with vaccination
    Just because there may be more pediatric hospitalizations due to bicycle accidents as compared to automobile accidents doesn't mean kids should be properly buckled in every time they get in a car. Not being properly buckled in would mean a rise in pediatric hospitalizations due to car accidents. Just like there may be more pediatric hospital visits due to bronchitis than COVID doesn't mean kids shouldn't be protected from COVID.
     
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  8. coleg

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    The selfish without empathy wonder why there's any fuss.
     
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  9. mutz87

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    My uncle is out of the hospital. Will be on oxygen for the next month.

    However, I just found out this morning that a close friend from home, wrestling partner and freshman college roommate, who is also an asst principle at our old HS, has covid and is in very bad shape. On a respirator and was just put in an induced coma.

    He's 51 years old, freakishly muscular since about 10yo lol. No known risk factors, but unvaccinated.

    Sent a chill down my spine.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    Do you realize we are approaching 2,000 people dying per day again? In what world is two thousand people a day dying an easily preventable death a good thing? Get vaccinated, dont die. Two thousand times a day
     
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  11. mutz87

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    Why?

    We can't know for sure without actual study, but as I've mentioned several times before, such an outcome is a phenomenon of sorts (or imo can be considered a statistical likelihood) at high/increasing vaccination levels.

    In fact, the report for which the *Faxxed* :) graph relies upon mentions this:

     
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  12. mutz87

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    The ignorant going to ignore.
     
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  13. gator95

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    Healthy kids don’t need the vaccine, especially when somewhere around 75% of children already have natural immunity which I’ve shown is vastly superior to the vaccine. Especially teen boys. You keep the head in the sand. The rest of us are living our lives normally with zero interventions.
     
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  14. QGator2414

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    For the alpha variant?
     
  15. vaxcardinal

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    75% have natural immunity?
     
  16. surfn1080

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    It appears Florida has already peaked.

    Omicron never came close to Delta if you consider the case amount between the two waves regarding hospitalization.

    Florida hospitalization report for today.
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  17. gator95

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    Well, the CDC estimated that 40% of kids had Covid up until March 2021, so I think a conservative estimate is 75%, considering DT’s and omicron.

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  18. pkaib01

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    Your "never came close" graphs courtesy of the NYTimes dashboard.
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    I'm not sure why you have a compulsion to compare variants. There's not need to diminish the pain and suffering that's occurring right now in Florida hospitals. It's borderline sociopathic.
     
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  20. surfn1080

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    Im going to check back with you next flu season to see if you are still concerned when pediatric hospitalization numbers are similar. Also, it’s been more than covered now children covid cases reported in hospitals about 50% not even their for covid.
    Florida hospital system says 50% of its COVID patients are mainly there for other reasons

    As of today, there are less than 200 confirmed Covid pediatric hospitalization in Florida.

    Lay off the fear porn some.
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