Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Weird is the word lol… it’s called escape variant.

 

It's because the elderly are the most vulnerable, and the most highly vaccinated. This is not hard to understand.

 

oh I know it is. Many hear don’t seem to know that.
It’s why I pointed out current hospitalizations are overwhelmingly 70+ which also happens to by far be the most vaccinated group everywhere.

 

If a body is not creating Omicron neutralizing antibodies, it’s not going to have T and B cells that can neutralize Omicron either. Can’t get one without the other…
Antibodies start with B cells.
Generally a specific type of T cell stimulate the B cells.

To keep it simple, with someone is who vaccinated with no prior infection, they have very specific instructions for the S protein.

Omicron has a rather different looking S protein.

It’s why serum levels of those just vaccinated are showing little Omicron specific antibodies.

 

Nothing from that article has anything to do with vaccine mandates. First, it's an article and not the unpublished, non peer-reviewed study. If you are forming an inference from a study, I hope you read the actual study and not merely an interpretation within an article. Second, the study is specific to "inactivated vaccines," which are not in circulation in the U.S. There may be some global implications here, but it currently has little to do with Moderna/Pfizer.

Still, some of the conclusions from the scholars you are referencing are saying the exact same thing people have been telling you.

You seem to believe the study suggested the opposite of these statements. And now, can you explain how this work on inactivated vaccines is relevant?

 

Are you looking at raw numbers of hospitalizations, or ratios? Do you have a source?

 

COVID-19 Alberta statistics

The Alberta data certainly shows different results than this. A boosted person in the 80+ age group has a lower risk of hospitalization (143.27 per 100K) than an unvaccinated 12-29 year old (237.54 per 100K).

 

Such a ridiculous thought.

Are you curious why the vaccinated and boostered run to get monoclonal antibodies when they get Covid?

It is called people can navigate this differently. There is no one way to navigate it…

 

Yet hospitalizations have also been driven by unvaccinated. There would be far more 70+ hospitalized and many dying were they not vaccinated. There would also be far more younger people hospitalized and dying were they not vaccinated.

At high rates of vaccination, we can expect to see situations where there are more absolute numbers of vaxxed hospitalized and dying compared to unvaxxed, such as your example in Scotland. Such a situation is a statistical phenomenon or even likelihood.

 

More patients are getting COVID-19 during hospital stays. Experts worry it's because infected healthcare workers are sick on the job. (msn.com)

• The CDC announced looser isolation rules for healthcare workers in December amid staffing shortages.
• The number of inpatients who contracted COVID-19 during their hospital stays rose shortly afterward.
• Disease experts worry the CDC policy is fueling in-hospital transmission as infected employees return to work.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stunned many disease experts last month when it announced healthcare workers could return to work seven days after testing positive for COVID-19, instead of its previous 10-day recommendation.

The policy applies to people who are asymptomatic, or whose mild or moderate symptoms are improving, and test negative within 48 hours of returning to work. But the CDC said the isolation period could be cut even more — down to five days — in the event of staffing shortages. In that case, healthcare workers wouldn't need to test out of isolation. And in a crisis scenario, when there's no longer enough staff to provide safe patient care, there would be no work restrictions at all, the CDC said.

Nearly one-quarter of US hospitals are reporting critical staffing shortages, according to the latest data from the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). Often, that means having to choose between treating sick patients and allowing infected employees to return to work (though hospitals can decide for themselves what constitutes a critical shortage, NPR reported).


Those patients "initially came into the hospital for something other than COVID and then were found to be positive," Dr. Jorge Caballero, a data scientist with the nonprofit Coders Against COVID, told Insider. "The only place that they can possibly get COVID is in the hospital, because that's where they've been and they didn't have it to begin with."

 

More real world data refuting the "vaccines are not doing anything mantra". This paper, also ends the myth that viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated (who were also not previously infected) are the same once infected (hint: RNA copies from PCR do NOT correlate to replicating virus - SHOCKER). Also, flying in the face of the Provincetown data, this study actually measured IVT (infectious viral titres - actual viral load, not PCR based RNA copies only) over 5 points in time (not just 1 like the Provincetown case) and further confirmed clearance rate of an infected, yet previously vaccinated individual is mush faster than that of someone not previously infected or vaccinated.

In two years, this is the first published work that I have seen looking at Viral Titers vs RNA copies and trying to help us understand what we are seeing in our PCR results.

Infectious viral load in unvaccinated and vaccinated patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 WT, Delta and Omicron

 

COVID-19 cases inside ICE detention centers surge by 520% (msn.com)

The number of coronavirus infections among immigrants detained at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention centers has surged by 520% since the start of 2022, prompting calls for increased vaccination efforts and detainee releases.

On Thursday, 1,766 immigrants were being monitored or isolated at ICE detention facilities due to confirmed coronavirus infections, a more than sixfold jump from January 3, when there were 285 active cases, government statistics show.

The number of detainees with active COVID-19 cases represents 8% of the 22,000 immigrants ICE is currently holding in its network of 200 detention centers, county jails and for-profit prisons.

Since the outset of the pandemic, more than 32,000 immigrants have tested positive for the coronavirus while in ICE custody, according to agency data. ICE has so far reported 11 coronavirus-related deaths of detainees.

The recent surge in COVID cases at ICE detention sites comes amid the rapid nationwide spread of the Omicron variant, which has been found to be more transmissible

 

Study Found:

Interpretation Quantitative IVTs can give detailed insights into virus shedding kinetics. Vaccination was associated with lower infectious titres and faster clearance for Delta, showing that vaccination would also lower transmission risk. Omicron vaccine breakthrough infections did not show elevated IVTs compared to Delta, suggesting that other mechanisms than increase VL contribute to the high infectiousness of Omicron.

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Not surprising. That is exactly how vaccines/natural immunities from prior infection work on viruses. Better study than a serum study for obvious reasons. Explains the empirical observations of hospitalizations between vaxxed and unvaxxed.

 

you have no idea what you are talking about. Antibodies were already created and in some cases faded. The T cells and memory cells tend to have broader defensive properties vs antibodies. So it has been demonstrated (and pointed out to you) time and time that tcells and memory cells can defend against severe illness even though antibodies may not be effective or have faded.

At this point you have reached the Q willful ignorance stage on this matter.

 

Unfortunately, in a pandemic, medical procedures have to go on. Heart surgeries, catheterizations, cancer treatments can't wait. And, the virus is going to be brought into prisons, nursing homes and other places where people are confined and dependent on others.

That is the price of a spreading virus.

"Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground. Mother earth will swallow you, lay your body down."

 

This is where I the vaccines failed; the original sales pitch was it would stop the spread and prevent death, now it may just help you (fingers crossed) from getting sick or death

 

You keep on boostering lol…

 

Bingo. They are a potential therapeutic. The good news is the disease is less severe. But now the take 3/4 rounds of a drug while calling it a “vaccine” crowd wants to give the 3/4 doses the credit. When reality is the disease is less severe. That said…it may help some and I am not arguing that it would not. But the vax only crowd refuses to acknowledge there is more than one way to navigate this reasonably.

 

aoc fully vaccinated and fully boostered just announced that Covid was no joke. I know plenty who are not vaccinated that had no issues with it. We can find stories to fit any narrative. But I can guarantee there is some excuse for her from the take every dose you can get crowd.

I would be shocked if she did not get the monoclonal antibodies as well. Though have not seen it reported one way or the other. She likely should have based on her statement about how it hit her.

As crazy as she is politically. Glad she is doing better.