Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Seems Germany has found 78.6 percent (4,020 of 5,117) of sequenced Omicron cases in vaccinated Germans, despite a population vaccination rate of just 70 percent. Interesting data to keep an eye on.

 

That is 100% false. Probably a good idea to not make up crap.

 

I hope everyone stays safe. And you're right. It is a huge PITA.

 

I am fully vaxed and I got Covid 3 weeks ago. My wife, duaghter and son also tested positive. But I also know none of us got very sick and my dad who has COPD and is very high basically had a cold from it.

I consider that working.

My oldest daughter who was around the same people for the same exposure times avoided it, so the vax worked for her.

I agree that this thing is still catching us off guard and the vax is losing some bite, but if he and his family stay healthy it may well be because the vax did work to an extent.

Also, the vax may be waht got us away from Delta and to a less serious variant, so that could be a win as well.

 

Interesting data out of LA. Very glad Omicron doesn't seem anywhere close to Delta in terms of seriousness at this time.

COVID-19 hospitalizations surge past 2,000 mark in LA County hospitals

"Health officials have noted throughout the pandemic that many of the COVID-positive patients at hospitals were admitted for reasons other than the virus, and only learned they were infected when they were tested upon arrival. Dr. Christina Ghaly, the county's health services director, told the Los Angeles Times that about two-thirds of the COVID-positive patients at the four county-operated hospitals were admitted for something other than COVID."

 

Looked at another way the vax got you to a less serious variant and made that sickness negligible, and now you have some natural immunity also.

 

At the rate covid conspiracy becomes covid fact, anyone who disaggrees with the tyranny will all become anti chippers within the next year or so.

 

Interesting data from Rasmussen polling. Seems to align with this site. MSM strikes again.


Democrats Fear New COVID-19 Variants More, Trust Vaccine Over Natural Immunity

"most Democrats (61%) believe vaccines are more effective than natural immunity in protecting against COVID-19, while just 17% think natural immunity offers more protection"

"Among Republicans, 43% think natural immunity is more effective in protecting against COVID-19, and just 25% believe getting vaccinated offers more protection"

 

One thing I wanted to comment on related to the other thread (and we've covered it here before as well), while we know certain comorbidities of what may constitute a relatively "unhealthy" status for COVID. We have to be careful of using the term "healthy" as it relates to COVID because certain markers among otherwise "healthy" looking individuals may prove advantageous or disadvantageous. In other words, "unhealthy" may be a more known than "healthy" as it pertains to COVID. Age, for example, may be a "unhealthy" attribute as it pertains to COVID. Also one's activity level (healthy heart) may be more important than one's physical size. It would be great if we could have a genuine look at how a variety of markers stack up in a COVID-impact context. Talk to your doctors that you trust for the most updated information.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Really?
Omicron largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses | Imperial News | Imperial College London

 

Both natural immunity and immunity from vaccinations fade over time. The highest degree of immunity appears to be among individuals who have been infected and have received the vaccine, whether vaccinated after infection or whether vaccinated and have developed a breakthrough infection following vaccination.
If you get COVID-19 are you super immune?

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mBio.02656-21

Logically even if one has been infected and has developed natural immunity, the most prudent alternative is still vaccination following infection.

 

He didn't specify Omicron. And still NI is better than vaccination against Covid. You fit the poll i posted.

 

Who's arguing against that? I'm not.

 

That's great. Then why all the hundreds of posts regarding the wonderfulness of natural immunity? As I think you admitted, in almost all cases, natural immunity or not, you are better off vaccinated than not (with the caveat that may or may not be true with children)

 

The argument over which is better, natural or vaccine immunity is silly. There are multiple studies that show vaccine immunity better, and multiple studies showing natural is better. A better question to ask than what's better would be what are the conditions that are causing the different studies to have different results? Is it different vaccines? Differing variants? A combination of factors?

Regardless, it seems both vaccine and natural immunity struggle to keep people from getting infected from Omicron. But the good news is both seem to do well to keep infections relatively mild. Again, the Brit study showed that the unvaccinated are 8X more likely to be hospitalized with Omicron.

Agreed, that even if you have had COVID, there is no reason not to get vaccinated. The vaccine will act a as booster and would decrease your chance of getting Omicron, and increase the chance you will get a mild or have an asymptomatic case.

 

Definitely appears to be the case in my family. My daughter is unvaxed and she is the only one symptomatic (she's now developed a cough as of this morning as well). She had by far the mildest case of the three of us the first go around. Now the opposite is true.

 

Interestingly, anyone holding S&P500 index funds in their 401k or otherwise has around 1.5% exposure to Pfizer, Moderna, Regeneron, J&J, etc.

 

Natural Immunity is vastly superior to just the vaccines. That much is proven true. Being vaccinated on top of having NI seems to be better than just NI. The issue is we should've vaccinated the world first before even thinking of offering boosters. AND we should've prioritized those with NI to the back of the line as they have protection already. That's what should've happened and what I and others were saying a year ago.

 

Caveat - my mom had covid. Very mild symptoms which left us stumped because she's she's pack a day smoker since age 16. Anyway, felt like a cold. This was prior to the vaccine. Vaccine came out, she got vaccinated, and spiked a fever of 104, and was so disoriented she didn't recognize my dad or sister, stripped down & tried to walk into the street naked, was babbling, etc. Took her to the ER & they chalked it up to a bad reaction & that she probably should've waited longer than 4 weeks between infection & vaccine.

Fast forward to her trying again in October and other than some achiness no vaccine reactions.

So yes, there should be a certain amount of time between infection & vaccination. Again, as always, check with your doctors. Her doctor learned from what happened to her & has people wait longer.

 

A study published in August 2021 reached that conclusion. Another study published in November 2021 reached the opposite conclusion.
COVID-19 vaccines more protective than ‘natural’ immunity

It should also be noted that both studies relied on data before the Omicron variant was identified and given that differences between the Omicron variant and previous variants the conclusions from the studies may be less valid today. It should also be noted that authors of the second study concluded the more research on the issue of immunity was needed.

Edit: Inferring from the study, natural immunity may still be superior during the immediate 90 days following infection. Apparently after the initial 90 days immunity from vaccination is superior. Again, the ideal appears to be both.