Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Just checking in. Anybody changed any minds about the vaccine yet?

 

That isn't true. Omicron is ripping thru our population whether vaccinated or not. I told you the faster way to get rid of covid. We don't know at all if some of southeast Asia has pre-existing immunity to covid. We most likely wont know that for years. If you think locking down works for a country the size of the US, then we don't have much to discuss.

 

That study is useless. Using people upto 50% older than the oldest death that I posted? Swing and a miss.

 

Tell me it isn't so, Q posting misinformation, disinformation, outright lies. and fabrications! Consistently unapologetically a right wing mouthpiece for their political agenda. JMO

 

The study looked at all pro soccer player deaths using active players and recent retirees under 45. The Wiki link showed 8 players, in total, including the 4 you posted, who passed from cardiac events in 2021. One was too old for the study, and another was right at the age limit. Again, there were others who just had "collapsed" as reason for death, and may have been cardiac events. But the wiki linked showed that 2021 was going to be a normal year in terms of cardiac soccer pro deaths, until the events of the past week.

Do we know the last week represents a pattern? Or just a random cluster, and nothing to worry about. Too early to tell. But given we don't know the vaccine status of any of the four players, and the fact that a COVID infection is more likely to cause myocarditis, and there were no clusters the rest of the year, all signs point to cluster, and not pattern. Time will tell.

 

Nope. This is actually a growing issue that isnt getting a lot of pub. Most results are not being reported.

 

I do think what we are fining is that cloth masks did very little. The medical masks should have been the push from the start and production ramped up to meet need/demand.

 

Well... since open minds are not changed by flawed logic and close minds are not swayed by sound logic, I'd say it's still a stalemate.

 

Remember last week some of the "covid is killing kid" crew was asking how pediatric hospitalizations could go up if it wasn't covid?

Well, shockingly, those posters were wrong. I know, crazy right?

CDC reports a total of 1,825 flu hospital admissions (+560 from 1,265 prior week) nationally for the week ending of December 25. There is a decent portion of the increase.

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report

 

An increase of an extremely rare event does not make it common. But I understand you want the new drugs to look like they are working better than they are. I wish they did work better than they are like you want.

 

Nonsense. You just want to believe these new drugs are the answer. The data speaks. Reinfections are extremely rare and still are. Though occurring more frequently than they were with delta. Completely different story with the vaccine. We just had the 100% vaccinated (minus one player) NHL shit down from omicron.

The continued denial of natural immunity and the love affair to coerce people who are protected to take a new drug that is proving ineffective at slowing the spread is the real danger and misinformation.

 

I mean it is true that this thing would wipe out better if we wore them at home. 4 of 5 got it at my house last month and my (vaccinated) Daughter isolated upstairs and wore a mask in the house and avoided it. But you and I both know how most would receive that advice. People scream about freedom outside of the house, imagine if Fauci was begging people to sleep in them.

 

No clue where that spell check three ply came from lol…

Gotta love phones. I try to quick check and edit but we have been traveling and getting ready to get back at it. Missed that one.

 

As always, Q and his cherry pick concepts and don't follow them through. It is probably true that if you live with someone, they chance you will get Omicron or even Delta is pretty high, unless you have strong natural immunity or recent booster and then you still may get it. It is hard to stop these if we are talking about extended exposure.

However, masks, to the extent they work at all, are more likely to reduce the exposures to dozens of fairly brief interactions with people outside their home. If everyone wore an N95 masked all the time outside the home around people, the disease would mostly stop spreading once the household was infected. If they where less effective masks it probably reduces probability of spread but very modestly.

 

My mouth literally fell open when Fauci said that. Luckily I had n95s & filters already but I ordered a bunch for my family asap. I couldn't believe he'd said that. Honestly made me mistrust him then & there. We got lucky because with all my issues I had loads of lysol, sanitizers, meds, masks, etc. Literally was mailing stuff to my folks.

 

Same week saw 334 kids a day enter the hospital with COVID. That's a total of 2,338. Say all these cases were really the flu and they just also happen to have COVID. Still leaves over 500 from COVID. Another swing and miss, especially because the chances of all 1,825 flu hospital admissions all had secondary COVID are 0.

Winter time does have an increase in pediatric hospitalizations. Flu is one reason. Slippery conditions leading to broken bones is another. But an overall 59% increase WOW is a concern. It's likely that some of the 1,825 kids also had COVID, and can anyone say with certainty that COVID wasn't a contributing factor to the hospitalization? The body fighting off two infections is more likely to struggle and need assistance as compared to a body fighting off just one. And yes, it is possible to have both infections at the same time.

 

Just saw that this morning...they're naming it Flurona or something like that LOL

 

Here's an article on "flurona." Israel had its first confirmed case, and CDC has said about .4% of COVID cases have confirmed flu as well. More common in Asia with 4.5% testing for both. Numbers are likely higher since testing for both isn't that common. If you tested positive for COVID, and are being treated for it, why also test for flu unless things get really complicated? Same in reverse. Why test for both if you already have a positive test for one?

 

I would think for now they're testing for both to track cases of flu vs covid, spread, etc. Don't know that would be the norm. In fairness though I've had visits where I'm sick & they test for flu & strep the same visit. So not really unheard of to test for multiple things.

Just thought the name was funny. Thanks for finding the link.

 

Anecdotally starting to see lots of reinfections in friends (5 since Christmas) who had the original strain - all vaxed and boosted too. Omicron seem to be evading all immunity.