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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. AzCatFan

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    Here's a link on incidental COVID cases. Which are positive cases in the hospital where the patient went in for another reason. 33% of positives in the UK recently. Big number, but sorghum doesn't account for the 59% in pediatric hospitalizations WOW. The article also goes on to state these incidental cases may cause complications with the original reason why the patient entered the hospital.
     
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  2. tilly

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    That and home tests are often not reported to the HD.
     
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  3. tilly

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    During my recent bout my bored butt spent a lot of time researching this crazy stuff.

    One thing I found interesting is that the CDC says to not get retested for 90 days after a bout with covid because of the likelihood of still testing positive. I know countless people who have gone back days and weeks afterward for follow up tests. Many of them tested positive still. Those cases should be weeded out. They should not be treated as new cases. There needs to be a way to weed out the sometimes multiple positive tests that show up for one singular infection.
    • Patients who have recovered from COVID-19 can continue to have detectable SARS-CoV-2 RNA in upper respiratory specimens for up to 3 months after illness onset. However, replication-competent virus has not been reliably recovered and infectiousness is unlikely.
    Healthcare Workers
     
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  4. duchen

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...bc0f73f6f7f786/10/72/61cf3d6b9d2fda3f8b772768

    The rapid surge of omicron infections in the United States may be relatively brief, measured in weeks rather than months, according to infectious-disease experts who have been astonished by the speed of the coronavirus variant’s spread — and who are hoping this wave ebbs just as quickly.

    Forecasts of the current winter wave, in which omicron has come riding in atop an existing delta wave, are somewhat more plausible. Columbia University researchers have a model that projects a peak in cases during the week beginning Jan. 9, with about 2.5 million confirmed infections in that seven-day period — and potentially as many as 5 million.



    Shaman estimates the number of infections is four to five times the official count. Given that people remain infected for many days, that translates to many millions of active infections across the United States.


    “The dam has broken with a milder variant. Most people who made the correct choice to get vaccinated are protected from severe disease,” said David Rubin, director of PolicyLab at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.
     
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  5. duchen

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    The problem with reasoning like yours is that it does not count vaccinated people who are exposed but do not get infected or sick. The argument that vaccines don't work because vaccinated get sick is just stupid.

    Multiple studies and reports from hospitals show that those who are vaccinated who test positive are better protected against severe illness.

    The vaccines worked and are working. 40% of the country is unvaccinated. There are plenty of hosts for the virus. And for it to spread to the vaccinated too.

    You do understand that when a virus enters a person's body, it tries to replicate even when the person has an immunity? The immune reaction then deals with it.

    That is why we see fewer and milder illnesses in vaccinated people.

    It is the right that politicizes this with its oppositions to mitigation measures and, when the virus spreads, its argument that the vaccines don't work.

    You are regurgitating a shamefully political argument by the right and your mention of "Dems" shows you exactly where your perspective comes from. By repeating it, you are acting as a tool.
     
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  6. surfn1080

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    I think many should get the vaccine and I believe it’s still the best way to protect yourself from serious illness.

    I just can’t stand the vaccine mandates to be in public life or to send children to school.
    If the vaccine was as good as what the FDA typically requires (maintain above 50% efficacy against infection), than maybe there could be an argument for it.

    Regarding political, I don’t take any side other than what I believe.
    My point about dems and midterms has more to do with lockdowns, mandates, police removing families from restaurants, attacking people verbally for not having a mask on. People are sick of that crap.

    what is blowing me away right now is in the past week, a lot of what I said about Covid that was considered conspiracy is now being said by Fauci and the CDC.

    cloth mask don’t work and hospitalizations are misleading some due to not being able to tell the difference between with Covid or because of Covid.

    saying that last week would get me banned from Twitter or Facebook.
     
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  7. duchen

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    There is a scientific basis for the shift in policy on COVID.

    Omicron is taking over as the dominant variant. It is milder and widespread. It will end up conferring the immunities that the unvaccinated don't have by infecting them.

    Please read the WAPO article I linked.

    And, you said "masks," not cloth masks. Surgical masks, KN 95s and N95s are easy to get. I just got N95s.

    So many people do not wear masks that it does not matter.
     
  8. mutz87

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    No one likes mandates, but in a country where over one-third of the population has suffered from a collapse of critical reasoning ability, making them prone to feeding on the disinformation, they make mandates necessary. Fact is that vaccines are preventing illness and saving lives.

    What was conspiracy that is now being "said" by the CDC?
     
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  9. buckeyegator

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    question on home testing for covid.if i take a home test, am i required to report it and the results, positive or negative to a health organization? if not, how are we going to know how things are going, we might have 2 million negative tests and 200,000 positive, but who would know?
     
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  10. duchen

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    I don't know. It may depend on the state you are in. If you read the WAPO link I posted earlier today, you will see that you just identified one reason that it is believed that cases are significantly undercounted.
     
  11. duchen

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    BTW: one reason Omicron needs significant study is its ability to evade immune responses. We must understand this in case the virus mutates to a more dangerous form and to apply to other viruses.
     
  12. vaxcardinal

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    Test strips are chipped so “they” know
     
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  13. buckeyegator

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    like the micro-chips in the vaccines to track our movements??????
     
  14. vaxcardinal

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    Exactly
     
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  15. mutz87

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    Excellent question
     
  16. surfn1080

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    I said some of it on my post.
    Cloth mask are useless. They now say that.
    Also something I said from the start, isolating and testing asymptomatic people was ridiculous. Saying that would get you flagged. That is what we have known for a decades. Now the CDC is saying the same. All of this in just the last 2-3 days.
     
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  17. buckeyegator

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    wow, pigs are flying.........
     
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  18. gator95

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    I’ve been saying the same for 20+ months. Also been complaining about the pcr threshold they are using. Just next level dumb. The whole masking thing is beyond dumb. It’s been shown time and time again and most on here and dumb govt officials refuse to believe the data. The cdc had to resort to twisting data sets to find dates that “show masks work” and the lemmings on here eat it up. Most of these covid brainiacs were way off on lockdowns, school closures, masks and vaxing kids. Hopefully in the new year some of these people will wise up, but I’m not confident.
     
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  19. ncargat1

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    Multiple studies confirming Omicron variant does much less damage to the lungs and lower airways in animal test subjects, suggesting why the Omicron variant is less dangerous to humans.

    Studies Suggest Why Omicron Is Less Severe: It Spares the Lungs
     
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  20. duchen

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    Really good news in the evolution of the disease.
     
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