Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

My ex runs the local Turkey Trot and they had one of their best runners die a few years back of a massive heart attack. No underlying conditions (high blood pressure, cholesterol issues, etc), no drugs or alcohol, guy was a vegan.

Some folks have nothing to worry about until they do.

 

While there are lots of good reasons to get healthier, saying it is better protection against disease than a vaccine is just false.

I'm all for anything to get people healthier. But to keep pimping a "solution" that is just not going to happen as an alternative is disingenuous. It's odd coming from you given most of your ideological brethren get agitated when anybody suggests they change anything about their lifestyle (aka FREEDOM!!!!), especially if it comes from anybody associated with a government agency. Hell Michelle Obama suggested kids eat vegetables and people had a shit fit.

Out of curiosity, from a public policy perspective how do you propose 75% of the population get significantly healthier?

I'll hang up and listen.

 

Got it. Thanks!

The flu vaccine still saves a lot of lives, but because there are multiple variants, the effort is toward predicting the most dominant and tailor the proper flu vaccine to it. Several years ago, they got it wrong and deaths spiked, but the CDC has been pretty good at getting it right. The CDC, along with numerous similar organizations in other countries and w/the WHO, have a comprehensive year-round flu surveillance system. The reasoning is that the flu is a dangerous infectious disease as well. As a society, however, the public kind of treats it as a common cold.

What I'm suggesting is that the reason for the massive push about vaccines is because infectious diseases are dangerous and vaccines are preventative. It's not at the expense of treatments and even if not perfect, the numbers wrt to vaxxed vs unvaxxed and cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are pretty decisive. I posted them a few times already but vaccinations have reduced the rate of infection by over 80% and the rates of hospitalizations and deaths by over 91%. That's a pretty staggering number of people who didn't need therapeutics and didn't die.

 

Unfortunately that happens sometimes. When people say "no underlying conditions" they should say "no known underlying conditions".

 

I asked my doctor about that once, and she said the conditions were always there but the conditions had yet to be identified. It’s like the old joke goes “I didn’t know I was sick until I went to the doctor.”

 

I understand your point. I am pro vaccine. But this is absolutely a flu shot scenario to an extent, again, because of variants. The push, the "you get vaccinated or you get fired", the name calling, the insults...this vaccine is being pushed as the only solution when it isn't.

Science changes & evolves. So has this. The narrative needs to STOP being about vaccine or nothing.

 

I dont disagree with most of this. But that "allowing the media to report it" opened up a negative backlash.

 

No question imo.

 

it is still risk analysis. He just ended up on the wrong side of the percentages. He could have lowered the risk, but he made his choice. Did not think he would be the one... we see it here every day.

 

Home tests are very good at detecting infectious levels of virus and can be used to screen people at large private gatherings, or in my case, after my wife and I travel to Florida to visit our elderly parents, to ensure we are not bringing anything into their homes that they can catch.

 

None that he knew of. Vegan is fine, but if he ate tons of oil or processed foods, that is problematic too.

 

Likewise with Bill Phillips (fitness guru, cofounder of EAS nutrition). Posted this several months ago. Fortunately he didn't die, but covid wrecked him the second time he got it. He thought because he had antibodies he didn't need the vaccine.

 

Extreme fitness guy and natural immunity and still almost died.

 

Yeah but the data.....

That scary vaccine isn't justified per the data. Anomalies just have to accept dying even if healthy because you know....numbers. No need to scare everyone.

 

Didn’t you just again claim that the “healthy” (asymptomatic) aren’t spreading it a few pages back? Pick a side, please! It’s spreading like crazy through pro locker rooms, where no one is sick. The asymptomatic are obviously spreading it which you deny while you seem to be unknowingly acknowledging by blaming the vaccinated.

 

And that's fine...was sharing in case someone looking to get it for schools etc wouldn't just assume it'd be accepted.

 

His widow stated he didn't have high cholesterol. She'd also released his life insurance physical & it was clean.

It was just one of those things.

 

Everything is scary. Nothing beats my daughter's face when I explained the side effects of one of my chemo meds. She was shocked that a medication meant to fight cancer could cause a different cancer.

There is a medication out there that causes stomach bleeding, liver & kidney damage, tachycardia, accelerated hypertension, and likely every...single...one...of...you have likely taken it. It's ibuprofen.

In both those cases, and many others, you have to outweigh the befits with the risks. For example, my son got myocarditis TWICE from his vaccines. No health issues other than mild asthma. Gets a cold maybe twice a year. Had we not been lied to about schools requiring it in the fall, we likely would've held off until there were better guidelines for kids.

But again people need to make the best choice based off of info and their doctor's advice. Calling people names for not vaxxing, or saying folks are poisoning themselves by vaccinating, does nothing but increase animosity.

 

Nah. Just speaking to what the data says. Do you believe the data says healthy people are at high risk?

 

Agree completely. I don't like the rhetoric from either side. My feelings have no power over what someone choses to do and it IS their right to either get vaccinated or not. My particular disdain at the moment is the abject refusal to accept that anomalies have names, families, friends etc and dismissing "healthy" low risk deaths as "data" is callous disregard for actual potential consequences to real people dying that could have likely been prevented by a relatively harmless vaccine. Of course there are exceptions and some people cannot take a vaccine so to them they actually can be dangerous. It isn't for everyone. However, the nuance that some claim to desire regarding how we should treat this is not being used in kind. Rebutting every fact with the same tropes is narcissistic, dismissive and condescending. They aren't interested in discussion just opportunities to flaunt their arrogance of their ignorant stance.