Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Sure probably, but not if those precautions involve not being able to do anything social, not being able to walk around without wearing masks and the like.

Leading causes of death for those 35-44 include heart disease, liver disease, and diabetes which people can avoid by just not overeating and moderate excercise.

Other causes like suicide, stroke, and HIV can be avoided by not killing yourself, again being healthy, and using protection with new partners.

If avoiding diabetes involved me being stuck in my house all day and not being able to see friends, eat at restaurants or travel I'd be OK with that risk too.

 

Thought I'd share for those interested- Quest Diagnostics is now offering a 2-in-1 test for Covid & the flu. One swab, test for both. Guess that helps save time for treatment, etc. Thought I'd share.

Also for those considering at-home tests some schools, events, etc will NOT accept those as valid results & you have to go to an approved location. Thought I'd share before someone spent money on home tests thinking they could be used for anything.

 

Who said anything about natural immunity? You said the vaccines don't work. I'm challenging you on that - while the case counts are up near the peak hospitalization counts are not.

Yes, people are getting reinfrcted with Omicron. You may need a omicron covid infection booster. Good luck.

 

Is wearing a mask more constricting than buckling a seat belt?

Leading cause of death for 35-44 is poisoning (largely drugs), suicide, and auto accidents (prior to Covid). Covid has now joined that list.

The issue is the all-or-nothing framing here. As if there is no way to be basically responsible while still leaving the house.

 

Early lab results show that a person with natural immunity alone is 5X more likely to catch Omicron versus Delta. The J&J vaccine seems ineffective, but a 3rd mRNA booster of Pfizer or Moderna can block infection by 75%. And are even more effective in preventing hospilizations and death. Still early lab results, but so far, real world data backs this up.

Speaking of preventing hospitalization or death, the vaccine has proven very effective. And even though breakthrough cases are on the rise, vaccinated people are far less likely to end up in the hospital or worse, the morgue. And breakthrough cases that are mild are not a sign the vaccine isn't working.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. The vaccine does a lot of good. But v they are not perfect. Neither are a lot of things. But as the article states:

Breakthrough infections are not evidence that vaccines don’t work anymore than the fact that car crashes [that] are still sometimes fatal is evidence that seatbelts don’t work. We use prevention tools because they help reduce our risk of serious disease or death, not because they are guaranteed to 100% always keep us safe,” Murray said. “If we held to that latter standard, we’d never use any preventive measures because nothing is perfect, and the result would be much more death and disease and disability.”​

 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article253708748.html

 

Fitness enthusiast, 42, who rejected vaccine, dies of Covid

Natural immunity didn't help this healthy guy.

I mean there is a middle ground. One can accept the randomness of how Covid affects people and feel getting vaccinated is worth the "risk" even as a healthy and fit person without being labeled " scared,Libby, fear monger, sheep, etc." I have my own examples closer to home. Most people have stances that are clearly politically motivated instead of using a risk analysis.

 

There's nothing to challenge, it doesn't stop the spread, it never did

 

How many people with natural immunity have caught this compared to those fully vaccinated?

 

Well you just came up with about every excuse you could with no solutions. Which is the easy way.

Reality is…this is not easy. It takes commitment.

It is really hard to change your lifestyle and be healthy. But at the end of the day…the data shows is this is the number one way to fight infectious diseases like this.

 

Yeah it's the extremists on both sides that have really done a disservice to themselves and everyone else.

 

I know, but you said we should transition to therapeutics. This is mistaken. and not what our public health response is about. Think of it as 1 and 1a with 1 being vaccines as the frontline preventative defense. We don't want people to get sick in the first place but when they do, we have 1a, therapeutics to treat that sickness. It's a misconception that we are focusing solely on vaccines when this entire time companies including those who have developed vaccinations, have been developing therapeutics including MABs. There's also been the push from the beginning for the medical community to search for medicines that might work on treating covid (think hqc among others).

But vaccines are the primary public health response because they are preventative. Get the entire population vaccinated and you have far less sickness and thus far less unnecessary death. Have effective therapeutics and you reduce sickness and excess deaths even further.

 

Or you move to Florida and take the home kit and move on…

Really appreciate your insight recently. Wanted to have a little fun.

 

Impossible to tell. The only people who can ever classify as a reinfection are those with an original positive test. That's about 47 million Americans, minus the 800,000 dead who can't get COVID again. What's the number of those who had COVID, were asymptomatic or only had mild symptoms, never got tested, then got sick months later and did test positive then?

What we do know? In the lab, it shows Omicron will reinfect those with natural immunity more than 5X as compared to Delta.

 

I apologize & should've clarified that the transition I was referring to was a change from an absolute vaccine or nothing to an approach closer to the flu shot. Because like it or not, the approach taken for diseases that do well with vaccinations don't have rapidly mutating and multiplying variants. Again I use the flu because how many different strands of the flu are there? You simply cannot account for every single variation.

 

Terrible. The data shows this as extremely rare. Assuming there was not an unknown underlying health issue. No reason to try and scare people when the data is clear. Healthy people from the beginning (before vaccines) are low risk.

 

There it is...."scare"....

You're the problem. You're also a narcissist.

 

Hoping to move back if my son becomes a Gator *fingers crossed*

 

Wow. Mountain climber. Triathlete. No underlying health conditions. Pretty much lays waste to the assertions that you have nothing to worry about if you are healthy.

 

Seems like the poster that uses "scared"as a rebuttal incessantly in the face of every argument is the one in denial and scared...