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I think you have your facts crossed on smallpox, there’s no way in hell 30% died from the vaccine. Link?

I don’t think anyone would accept a 5% vaccine death rate even for MERS or something with a 30% fatality rate, even though that disease does have a much higher fatality rate, it must be more easy to contain the infections. I guess in theory if something was spreading like wildfire you might then have such a choice, but it would still be a hard sell, more people would probably just take extreme isolation measures to try and avoid it rather than take a 1 in 20 chance of death.

 

Actually 30% who got the disease died. About 2 in 1 million died from the vaccine, and dozens per million had serious life threatening side effects from vaccine.

I got the small pox vaccine growing up. Fortunately 30% of my classmates didn't die.

History of Smallpox | Smallpox | CDC

The Smallpox Vaccine - What You Need to Know

 

Ok. That is funny. I'll give you that.

 

And here's what Nebraska Med says about vaccine versus natural immunity.

What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias.​

Natural immunity alone is weak
One study compared natural immunity alone to natural immunity plus vaccination. They found that, after infection, unvaccinated people are 2.34 times likelier to get COVID-19 again, compared to fully vaccinated people. So vaccinated people (after infection) have half the risk of reinfection than people relying on natural immunity alone.
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It's not settled science. One large study with selection bias isn't conclusive. Especially when they're multiple other studies with different results.

 

Lol. Good try. So much fun for me seeing you try to defend what every major study has shown. Love it. You couldn’t be more wrong and everyone here sees it.

 

Every major study? That's why the experts at Johns Hopkins and Nebraska Med disagree. Guess their education and years of medical experience pales in comparison to anonymous Internet posters who link to sites full of My Pillow ads.

 

It has always been the most likely source. Ocman’s razor. But not engineered. Gain of function from the testing in tissues

 

Yes, every major study. You are embarrassing yourself. You ever wonder why no one comes to your defense on this subject? It’s because you are going down with the ship. Tough luck. Too much fun for me.

DEFINE_ME

 

Don’t Try to teach eating. You don’t know the difference between portion control of unhealthy foods and eating low calorie, high nutrient plants. You lecture on health risk factors, but don’t know the difference between fit and healthy.

 

Once again you prove the best way not to get sick is to get sick.

 

The monoclonals are not inconsistent with vaccination. My friend was double vaccinated and got sick. Laid up in bed. Very high viral load because of how he was exposed. Vaccine kept him out of the hospital and the morgue. The monoclonals helped him get better. Sr said that if he hadn’t been vaccinated he would have died

 

Captain obvious is back i see. Best way to not get in an accident is to not drive. Best way to not drown is not get in a pool or the ocean. Best way to not choke on food is to not eat food. I can keep going…

 

How long before you argue the 100% reinfection efficacy agsinst covid due to death?

 

Absolutely. The criteria for the vaccines and doctors say to not get vaccinated until your antibody levels are lower. You are doing the right thing.

 

I don't deny there are studies that show natural immunity to be better. But why do you deny there are studies that show the opposite? And that the science isn't settled?

From another person with a MD at the end of her name:

Lastly, there are other studies, not yet peer reviewed, that come to the opposite conclusions, that vaccination provided a greater level of protection than infection.

I can understand how people trying to sift through all of this information are confused. Yes, we need to keep reading, researching, and questioning. But, my plea would be to look beyond the screenshots when making a decision that could save a life—yours or someone else’s.​

 

You know so much lol!

I use to eat like crap. Not anymore. My wife is much more plant based than me. But my fish (sushi) lunch and fish dinner was phenomenal today!

***the quinoa burger at burger fi is solid if you want to splurge***

 

You post opinions and extremely small sample studies that can have a bias. There is a reason no posters are coming to your defense. It’s like sitting at the poker table and you can’t figure out who the sucker is…

 

You know, your giant study only resulted in 34 total hospitalizations. That's where the 8X number comes from.

Here's the link to the CDC study. Over 7,000 in this one, and much more ethnically diverse. It's not tiny. Can you explain why the results of a diverse study of 7,000 differs so greatly than the results of a 30,000 person study that is homogeneous?

I can't. But I did link to several medical groups who have potential explanations. But forget their fancy degrees and years of experience. You know it all!

 

Happy to hear your friend is alive.

 

He wouldn’t have gone in the trip he went on of he had known the guidance after Delta spread. It was at the beginning of the Delta surge overseas.