Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Exactly. How many topics have been created with "so and so, an anti-vaxxer, got covid and died" and then had all the vax lockdown nutjobs laughing about it. I'm just indifferent to it. You can't force someone to do something.

 

Yeah, unfortunately the fascists will do their damn best to force it on everyone, no matter the consequences.

 

This was an interesting opening phrase, given that the rest of the message was ani-vax propaganda. I especially liked the part about the "evil Fauci."

 

When people get sick and go to the hospital that affects others. When parents die and leave single parent or orphaned kids that affects others.

The vaccine reduces infection and thus slows spread, in varying degrees depending on different factors.

Kids get more benefit than harm from vaccine, even though their incidence of serious disease is rare. Vaccinated kids won't spread it quite as much to teachers and other vulnerable adults.

I'm not sure how much more encouraging helps at this point. People that avoid the vax by now have other reasons than the logic of needing one.

 

Yeah, they are anti-vax or vax hestitent. Doesn't matter what you call it. Not going to magically make people get vaxxed. Yes, some will die. That's the way it goes. Kids don't need the vaccine. I've made point after point showing why. No need to rehash that. Vaccinated spread just as much as unvaccinated. So that is wrong.

 

If you don't get infected in the first place you can't spread it.

 

Thanks

 

Vaccinated with a breakthrough case spread COVID, but not at the same rate as the unvaccinated. Vaccinated people rid themselves of the virus days faster than unvaxxed. This means the time a person has enough viral load needed to be contagious will be significantly less in vaccinated people.

Peak viral load for both is the same. But I an unvaxxed person, the peak is more of a plateau until the body starts to rid itself of the virus. In a vaccinated person, it's a peak with a quicker time to start falling.

With more than 1 in 3 of all cases being asymptomatic, and that number higher in kids, having everyone eligible vaccinated will reduce total cases by not only inoculation, but by reducing time those who do get sick by shortening the time they are contagious.

 

Nope.

New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

"New data was released by the CDC showing that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant can carry detectable viral loads similar to those of people who are unvaccinated"

 

I am not aware of any orders that made it illegal to close for a short period during a surge in Florida or Texas. Do you have the executive order for this?

 

Swing and a major miss. Yes, at peak levels, those vaccinated with a breakthrough case and unvaccinated have similar detectable viral loads. I already said that. But again, vaccinated people rid themselves of the virus days faster than the unvaxxed. The result, as this articles says, vaccinated people are 40% to 50% less likely to spread the virus with a breakthrough case than the unvaxxed. These results have been confirmed by other studies, including one funded by the NBA, that saw vaccinated people be rid of the virus 48 hours quicker than unvaccinated.

Smaller time with detectable viral loads means less time one is contagious. The unvaxxed, COVID + person has a window that is as much as 48 hours longer to infect others versus the vaccinated, COVID+ person. And considering more than 1/3 of all cases are asymptomatic, and asymptomatic people are less likely to isolate themselves (because they don't feel sick), this 48 hour extended window an unvaxxed person is contagious is significant.

 

If only people would take care of themselves...instead it is the lazy booster up for a disease that is not that dangerous to healthy people.

 

There are those with preexisting conditions that are genetic. Like Type 1 Diabetes or asthma, where even if completely healthy, they are still at greater risk for COVID. And while having underlying conditions make COVID more dangerous, the risk for the otherwise healthy, even in their 20's, isn't zero.

Two previously healthy people in their 20s died of COVID-19 at Valleywise Health Medical Center in Phoenix over the weekend, officials confirmed Wednesday.

Neither patient had been vaccinated, said Dr. Michael White, who is the Valleywise chief medical officer during a Wednesday morning briefing.
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Best way to protect yourself and lower your risk? Get vaccinated. This also has the added benefit of protecting others, who may have comorbidities that even if they live a perfectly healthy life, will still have these comorbidities because they are genetic.

 

France has 92% of the adults at least partially vaccinated and they are at their highest levels. Man, you are right, must be those pesky kids and the 8% doing all the spreading lol. Do you ever get upset about constantly being wrong? I mean you are on one hell of a losing streak with your positions.

 

And do you know what is a major driver in the French seeing a spike in COVID cases? Unvaccinated kids under 12.

Meanwhile, as striking as the surge has been nationwide – despite more than 75 percent of France 's population aged 12 and up completely vaccinated – the spread is outsized among the country's unvaccinated youngest.

On paper, the math is blunt. France's Covid-19 incidence rate, the number of infections weekly per 100,000 people, has shot past 300 nationwide – six times the country's alert level of 50, where it lingered in October. But that rate is 650 for children aged 6 to 10, their highest since the start of the pandemic.

It is far worse still in some areas. Ardèche hit 1,508 cases on Saturday after doubling week on week all month. The picturesque southeastern department is one of eight surpassing the symbolic 1,000 benchmark, over which it is considered that more than one percent of 6-to-10-year-olds are infected in a given area. The current rate for Paris is 918 and rising.
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Do you ever get tired of believing yourself to be the smartest person in the room/on the board only to end up looking like a buffoon again and again?

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Here's a story about a young, WNBA player who got COVID July, 2020, and ended up in the hospital. Had a serious case of long haul COVID, and has finally been cleared to play, 17 months after initial infection diagnosis. Young, in shape, and still ended up with a serious case of COVID, and serious long haul symptoms. She got infected before the vaccine was approved. But had she been able to be vaccinated, and gotten the vaccine before she got sick, she likely wouldn't have missed more than a week with a potential breakthrough case.

 

So how do "if only's" help people? I find it ironic because generally conservatives do not want know it all liberals or experts lecturing them on how to eat or live healthily.

Saying people that use boosters are lazy is offensive.

 

There are multiple ways to protect yourself and others.

I know you only think there is one. And that one is still not good enough for many if they unfortunately get this disease. They will then go to the one that has so far shown a great data. The one DeSantis helped get out to the public…

 

I am not lecturing anyone how to eat. It is the catch 22 of freedom. There are consequences for choices.

Sorry if you take offense. But the lazy answer for many is to booster up. Now there are plenty of people who take good care of themselves and have been scared to the point that their risk profile says they want these new drugs. Nothing wrong with that at all. But if you are young and healthy…the data shows you are low risk.

 

There are a lot of people who don’t take this advice!!!