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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. gator95

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    Healthy kids? Nope.
     
  2. l_boy

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    Your rationale and explanation is "nope?"

    What about hospitalizations? The number of kids hospitalized by covid is in the thousands? Why take that risk? Your explanation is still "nope"?
     
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  5. gator95

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    A handful of healthy kids have died from covid in the world. A handful of healthy kids died from taking the vaccine. So now that we agree on that, it makes sense not to vaccinate healthy kids.
     
  6. l_boy

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    You won't answer. You've officially run out of fake or taken out of context statistics to back up your position. You can present no reason not to avoid hospitalizations for kids.
     
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  7. gators81

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    Nope. That’s when You’ve pulled a new excuse out of you ass youve never used before because you walked yourself into an argument even you can Bs you way out of. Typically you’d say, “I’ve said it, look for it”. You didn’t even go there because you know you’ve never said it.
     
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    Hey now, common sense not allowed...public officials will never, ever give up the fear campaign.
     
  9. gator95

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    What the hell are you talking about? Healthy kids aren't ending up in the hospital from covid. You can fear monger all you want. Just isn't happening. Fear mongers gonna fear monger.
     
  10. gator95

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    That made zero sense. Swing and a miss.
     
  11. QGator2414

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    Comparing the mmr vaccine to the Covid vaccine is nonsensical. They are different diseases. Different drugs. Different risk profiles.
     
  12. AzCatFan

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    There are underlying conditions that kids have that make them more likely to have an acute case of COVID, but there are also cases of otherwise healthy kids who get COVID and end up in the hospital. From this article from Sept, before kids under 12 could get vaccinated:

    Of the 15 children with Covid-19 who were inpatients at Children’s Hospital New Orleans late last week, four — including a 3-month-old baby — were in intensive care, said Dr. Mark Kline, the hospital’s physician in chief. None of the children, including the eight who were old enough to be eligible, had been vaccinated.

    “This Delta variant of Covid-19 is an infectious disease specialist’s worst nightmare,” Dr. Kline said. “And there’s just no sign that it has started to plateau.”

    Some hospitalized children have other chronic conditions, like diabetes or asthma, that may make them more vulnerable to Covid, but doctors said that they also have seriously ill patients without any obvious risk factors.
     
  13. WESGATORS

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    For context:

    default - Stanford Children's Health

    Granted, the data is over 10 years old, but the numbers should still help to add some perspective on threats to our children.

    I think it's prudent for parents to consider the actual health-risk for their children as it pertains to COVID and determine how important it is for them to get their children vaccinated. And it's perfectly fine if parents decide they don't want to go that route.

    Go GATORS!
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  14. AzCatFan

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    Not nonsensical at all. Lots of parallels between say mumps and COVID-19. For example, the risk profile. Both viruses generally present as mild cases in childhood, but are much more dangerous to older people. Because of this, there was pushback to give kids the mumps vaccine, just as today, there is pushback in giving kids the COVID vaccine. The mumps vaccine was also produced in record time, back then, 4 years, which caused resistance because people thought it was too quick. Of course, the mumps vaccine benefitted from years of research into the polio vaccine. The COVID vaccine was created even quicker, though it too benefitted from 3 decades of mRNA vaccine research.

    The drugs, actually vaccines, aren't too different either. The mumps vaccine was created by injecting chicken eggs with the virus and eventually cultivating an attenuated version of the virus that contained the mRNA strand that would trigger a body's immune response, but not cause the person to get sick and become contagious. The mRNA vaccine is just the next evolution of vaccines. No need to cultivate any viruses. Simply identify the mRNA strand that triggers the immune response, and inject that into the body. It's like watching a tv show in B/W on a 13" TV back in 1960, and watching the same show, in full color, on a 60" TV today. Same tv show content, but much better quality.
     
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  15. gator95

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    Notice they didn't give a number of serious ill patients without any obvious risk factors. That says it all. Healthy kids end up hospitalized from myocarditis from the vaccine. Very rare but happens. Fear mongers gonna fear monger.

    And let's not forget you still believe the vaccines by themselves offer the same protection as Natural immunity. Just an epic fail and willful ignorance of data. Not surprising.
     
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  16. AzCatFan

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    Difficult to give numbers. Especially when there are underlying health conditions that may not be known before a person enters the hospital. Pistol Pete Maravich had an underlying heart condition that nobody knew about, until he dropped dead from a heart attack at age 40 playing a pick-up game. This would qualify as an underlying condition for COVID, and one that wouldn't have been detected until maybe it was too late.

    As for vaccine versus natural immunity, too many studies with too many varying results to make a definitive statement. Too many variables.
     
  17. gator95

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    LOL. Dying on that hill. Love it. So wrong yet fighting until the end. Captain going down with the ship.
     
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  18. QGator2414

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    Keep on testing for covid with your boosters as you hang out with friends and family. I bet you are not testing for measles mumps and rubella...;):):D:devil:
     
  19. l_boy

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    What's the risk?
     
  20. l_boy

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    OK, so?