Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Criminal is touting that people get sick because it affords better immunity. Criminal is touting that the option to get sick is an option society should consider for a disease with the risks of this Rome to the vulnerable. Criminal is the “key em die” attitude toward the obese permeating your posts. What about the vulnerable? Cancer patients, immunocompromised? Folks vulnerable not because of lifestyle. And there are studies on reinfection risk. You just keep ignoring them.

 

No. It is not mandating charity. It is society protecting itself and it’s members from those who engage in risky behavior. Laws in a free society reflect morality, not just order. All we have in your posts are your opinions on morality. No source st all. @WESGATORS disagrees with mandates and thinks they interfere with freedom so they are immoral. That is an opinion. Not a source of morality.

 

…and when a law upholds something that is immoral?

One of us recognizes that we are BOTH discussing opinions.

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,WESGATORS

 

There is always the Massachusetts breakout July among the vaccinated. There is Vermont surging past the highest case numbers it had to the highest ever right now. Again…my point is we have lost the Art side of medicine. Medicine is a combination of Art and Science. The best doctors are able to navigate health issues with their patients using both Art and Science. Hence a tunnel vision approach like the one being pushed is not how to handle things.

I am all for people taking these drugs and mixing them however they wish with boosters if they want (a little Moderna here. A little Pfizer there. and maybe a jj as the cherry on top as a booster is how some want to go). Just like I am all for people not taking these drugs and waiting for more long term data to come out.

End of the day…the good news is we have better ways to treat the disease.

 

Here's how you know that a company like Pfizer is selling poison... This is not what Constitutional Republics does... this is straight up communism.


FDA Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until the Year 2076 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data

The FDA’s response? It produced nothing. So, in September, my firm filed a lawsuit against the FDA on behalf of this group to demand this information. To date, almost three months after it licensed Pfizer’s vaccine, the FDA still has not released a single page. Not one.

Instead, two days ago, the FDA asked a federal judge to give it until 2076 to fully produce this information. The FDA asked the judge to let it produce the 329,000+ pages of documents Pfizer provided to the FDA to license its vaccine at the rate of 500 pages per month, which means its production would not be completed earlier than 2076. The FDA’s promise of transparency is, to put it mildly, a pile of illusions.

It took the FDA precisely 108 days from when Pfizer started producing the records for licensure (on May 7, 2021) to when the FDA licensed the Pfizer vaccine (on August 23, 2021). Taking the FDA at its word, it conducted an intense, robust, thorough, and complete review and analysis of those documents in order to assure that the Pfizer vaccine was safe and effective for licensure. While it can conduct that intense review of Pfizer’s documents in 108 days, it now asks for over 20,000 days to make these documents available to the public.

FDA Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until the Year 2076 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data

 

Meanwhile Nero, Rome burned. Bury your head in the sand with covid pandemic and you'll soon be burying bodies. Ask the UK. They started down that path (herd immunity) and it got very ugly very quickly. They were rapidly forced to reverse course.

 

Who said people should get sick?

The rest makes no sense. The vaccinated are putting people at risk just like the unvaccinated. The ones not putting people at risk are those without Covid.

And it was criminal locking down and equating some things as “essential jobs” at the beginning of the pandemic.

I have referenced this before. While not common…as we sat with the oral surgeon we work closely with on March 23 of 2020 to discuss how to navigate being told we cannot treat patients unless it was an emergency…a file came in from a referral in which my wife had referred over because of a suspicious spot. Cancer positive. If that patient had been scheduled March 23…they would not have been allowed to be seen and have that caught. That is criminal. And that policy was put in place by DeSantis. One of his mistakes. He did at least cut off a week of the EO he signed. The fear of having people not go to the doctor through this has and will cause for more harm as people will end up waiting too long to take care of health issues that need to be addressed immediately. There is no perfect answer. But the fear tunnel vision approach is not the right way. I am sure we disagree. And that is fine.

 

Yes it does spread among the vaccinated, after antibodies reduce, but it does not spread as much and among those who get it hospitalization and death are substantially reduced.

 

The Trump admin gave an agency $100 million to fight Covid. It spent $1 million.

A federal agency that was run by a college friend of Jared Kushner and assigned $100 million to spend on fixing the Covid supply chain crunch has so far failed to invest a single dime, according to a new government watchdog report.

In 2020, the Trump administration directed the International Development Finance Corporation (DFC) to loan out $100 million in Pentagon funds through the CARES Act to "finance the domestic production of strategic resources needed to respond to the COVID-19 outbreak, and to strengthen any relevant domestic medical supply chains."

Companies were encouraged to apply for financial backing to help increase U.S. distribution of ventilators, vaccines, medical testing supplies, Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) and other relevant products. According to a new Government Accountability Office report, 178 applications flooded into the agency’s downtown Washington office but no money flowed out.

 

This is just terrible. So much ammunition for vaccine skeptics.

 

It's terrible becasue it's a deadly poison that they don't want to defend in court...

 

I recognize that it's healthy to have some skepticism with respect to a fairly newly released vaccine. But can't you recognize that it's way over the top to call the vaccine "a deadly poison?" To put this into perspective, it's MORE egregious than suggesting that COVID isn't deadly. I think sometimes on these threads, we feel like we need to take extreme positions to not be confused with supporting the *other side.* But the truth is, there's a lot of room in the middle for compromise.

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,WESGATORS

 

You want to put trust in the government to stop a virus from spreading. I have little faith in that and not because of the reason you think.

We are a country of over 300 million people. You will never be able to control that many people enough to prevent an airborne virus from spreading without significant harm to other aspects of our livilhoods.
The sad part about lockdowns is, it never stopped the virus. It just temporarily slowed it down but caused massive other issues.

I agree with you about treatments but disagree about vaccines becoming the primary response. At least not the ones we have today. Losing efficacy by 3 months to prevent spread and below 50% protection against being infected by 4-6 months is not a good vaccine. Bill Gates even now acknowledges this.

I wish we had focused more on treatments earlier. We put too many eggs into vaccines.

 

This crap that the pharmaceutical companies is NOT A VACCINE. I am better off taking several safe and effective, with little to no side effects, to cure Covid-19. That is if I ever get it again. Asymptomatic, had it, got over it with NO meds.

The mRNA just is NOT needed.... We have proven ways/drugs to cure the covid virus right here and now.

So... everything you just said is a moot point.

 

They are trying to hide the negative side effects of their "vaccines" is all they are trying to do here...

Here are some of the admitted side effects of a virus that we can now cure with already available, proven FDA safe drugs... No need for the vaccine that does NOT immunize you from getting it again nor does it immunize you from spreading it.

The vaccines are unnecessary... they are obsolete.

COVID-19 Vaccination

 

The monoclonal antibody treatment is expensive, and only works well when treatment begins early in a case. Best not to never catch COVID in the first place. Two ways to do that. Be a hermit and never be around other people. Or two, take the vaccine. Even at 50% efficacy, you reduce your chances of getting the virus in half. That's nothing to sneeze at.

As for natural immunity, that too wanes. And plenty of places are seeing rises in COVID reinfection rates. Like PA, that recently saw 15,000 people count as reinfections recently. Or the 8,000 in MN who recently was diagnosed with a second case. Anyone who claims that natural immunity is better simply isn't looking at all the data. It does appear that natural immunity is better in some cases, but in others, the vaccine seems to work better. The real question is to figure out why.

Meanwhile, more than 7.5 billion jabs have been given out, and nobody has turned into a zombie or vampire, the birth rate has remained unchanged, and thousands of lives have been saved. And even if the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting a breakthrough case, if, like in Gibraltar, if the vaccine prevents 99% of hospitalizations and 100% from dying, how is this a vaccine failure? Of course Gibraltar is a small scale area, but if overall, if the vaccine prevents 95% hospitalizations and 98% death, that's still a win.

 

Well, we’re paying them to CONTROL AND PREVENT disease, that’s actually in the title of their organization…

I guess my point is so what if it is? Let’s for arguments sake say natural immunity is far superior. Let’s say the CDC did a ton of research, spent a lot of time and money to definitively prove it, then what? If letting everyone get infected isn’t the goal from there, what do you do with that information? You still can’t get natural immunity without infection, so…

I’m not against the idea that proven antibody tests for natural immunity COULD qualify under a vaccine mandate. However, you’ve gone so far off track of that being your point I don’t think anyone knows what your point is anymore.

The CDC’s job is to control and prevent disease, that’s done by the vaccine, not everyone getting infected. So if you’re not advocating for everyone to get infected, why are you so dead set on natural immunity being better?

 

The ignoring of the most basic science “natural immunity” and in the process mandating people take a new drug in doing so…is by far the most damaging thing to increasing vaccination.

Trust was already weak. That very well ended any chance of getting some to take the vaccine. Sadly it will likely have negative effects going forward. I think we will start seeing a decline in the use of vaccines that have the long term data to support their use for efficacy and side effects. But now some people are going to apply this absolute boondoggle of a vaccine push and policy to things they should not.

Just a complete disaster being run by imbeciles.

We still see it here. We know confirmed reinfections are extremely rare. Yet some want to say natural immunity wanes as they booster up.

Really unfortunate we are where we are.

 

Latest information out of the UK. Those with a third jab booster and 50% less to get a breakthrough case than those with only 2 shots. (If you don't want to register for the Telegraph, the story can also be found on the search engine starting with Y for free) Also, the unvaccinated are 5X more likely to get the virus than anyone vaccinated. The disparity will only get bigger as more people do the right thing and booster up!

Another interesting tidbit in the story is people who live with 3 or more people, or anyone under 16 are more likely to get infected. It's just a probability numbers game. Especially with how fast COVID seems to be spreading in UK schools. All the more reason to vaccinate kids, to help prevent them from being vectors of COVID spread to those who are more likely have a severe case.