Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Just saw the reports coming out. When I typed it the reports were he was. Psaki would now be the most recent big name break though.

 

As does the PCR test, which has caused countless school shutdowns over the past 15 months

 

Those who want to take the new drugs should. Those that do not want to…should not.

Those with natural immunity are more protected than those who have been vaccinated.

 

…and it is not working real well to slow the spread.

 

He and you can implore. Yes the more vaccinated showing that the vaccine is not slowing the spread. This is about as leaky of a vaccine as we can have. The main benefit is it works as a potential therapeutic if one gets Covid.

 

Except that the data do show vaccines slowed the spread. Not as well as it is preventing people from getting very sick or from dying, but being unvaccinated was nearly a 6x higher rate of infection in the last wave compared to being vaccinated, and even higher at the peak of the wave.

I don't know if it's more or less leaky, but what's clear is that there are immense benefits from vaccination against low risk of adverse events.

 

Good god man. How many times do you need to see the data to get this through your skull?

SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY TO GET COVID IF UNVACCINATED.

Why do you continue to repeat false information and then act like it’s true? Are you trolling? Is the unbridled arrogance an act?

 

That evidence does not suit his narrative, therefore he ignores it and moves the goalposts. Sad actually.

 

Yes, I recall a few exchanges we had about PCR and believe I share some agreement. Still, I don't know why you keep referring to the PCR test and why you suggested the antibody test is that simple and presumably accurate?

And by the way, it's not that the PCR test isn't accurate, it's that the threshold might make it too sensitive and that commercial testmakers weren't providing important information in the results that would help determine viral load.

 

Delta spreads 2.5 times as much as prior variants.

1 person >> 5 people >>25 >>125 people

Vs

1 person >> 2 people >> 4 >> 8 people.

Let's say vaccination cuts infection 80%

Prior variants unvaxxed

5 people>>10>>20>>40

Vs Delta with vaxxed, spread among unvaxxed.

1 person >>5 people>>25 people>>125 people.( 1/3 of population unvaxxed)

Delta among vaxed population

1>>1>>1>>1 (2/3 of population vaxxed)

So even though it cuts infection 80%, the net spread over 4 cycles is 3 times as much among unvaccinated. If 2/3 are vaxxed and 1/3 unvaxxed you get roughly the same as pre Delta with 100% unvaxxed.

Plus, they start opening up at the same time Delta is spreading.

Now imagine the disaster we would have had if Delta had been around before the vaccine.

 

My daughter did the antibodies too. She has asthma and some other health issues. After feeling bad a couple of days, she finally went to doctor and got tested and was covid positive. She was shocked but I wasn't. I'm shocked she's gone this long without getting it even though she was vaxxed early.

She got the antibodies day after positive test. That day she started to feel better and since then her symptoms have been minor. Luckily wife and I had boosters 2 weeks before - I'm the one driving her around to all of these appointments (with n95 mask)

 

You mean all those countries with socialized medicine?

Most European countries have recommended vax for 12-17 and many are now ahead of the US.

Covid: Which countries are vaccinating children and why?

As to younger children it was just approved here so we will see what transpires elsewhere. It is such a low dose as a parent I wouldn't think twice about giving it to my kids at that age.

Also most of those countries are doing a better job of containing the disease with masks, social distancing and shut downs.

 

So answer me this, in the vax trial in the 5-11 age group, how many kids in the placebo versus the vaccine had to be hospitalized or died?

 

To you. Everyone has different risk profiles.

 

Because the day shows that the more vaccinated are getting Covid than unvaccinated.

Imagine if we had spent more on pushing for monoclonal treatments and focused on vaccinating the high risk people in mass while controlling studies and populations that are healthy to work on a better second generation drug to use as a vaccine.

Booster up as these drugs don’t work real well with delta outside a potential therapeutic if you unfortunately get Covid. Goo thing there are the monoclonal antibodies for those vaccinated and unvaccinated.

But again we will never know what approach would have been better. I am not saying the one we took was definitely wrong. The only thing that is definitely wrong is forcing people to take a new drug for a disease that is of little danger to them. Especially those who have natural immunity and better protection than the people who take the drug.

 

Glad she is doing better and glad she got the antibodies. I have yet to hear a story where the antibodies did not turn symptoms and all within 24 hours. I am sure there are stories where the antibodies did not work. Medicine is just not that simple. The best answer for one person is not a good treatment for another. Just wish people would understand this when it comes to these new drugs.

 

Well sure, but overall the vaccines are showing themselves to be low risk while some of the *big* issues that have arisen such as with myocarditis and blood clots are already well understood and treatable.

 

Aaron Rodgers lied to the media when he said he was “immunized”. Though per Adam Shefter he did seek out some “alternate” treatment and petition to the NFL to have that considered as equal, the NFL rejected that and considered him unvaccinated and needing to follow those protocols. Wonder what that petition was for exactly, the guy sounds like a fruitcake in retrospect.


Hopefully he only has the mild case. But sounds like he wasn’t following the protocols either, he was getting the “rules don’t apply to superstars” treatment. Which per precedent could cost the organization something (fine, draft pick, etc). Personally, for the lying and gamesmanship I’d say the player should be suspended another game on top of sitting out this week, IMO.

 

Agree that the PCR test is accurate, the issue for sure is it's too sensitive. Example 1,000,001:

 

You’re so full of shit. Just shamelessly repeating the same lie again and again and again.