Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

This coming from a man who stayed locked for a year living in fear

 

Where did I ever say I was afraid of vaccines , coming from a typical liberal who thinks they know everything. I've stated I have natural immunity which is more effective and safer than getting the temporary vaccine that has to be applied about every 6 months they think. Why don't you just admit it.

 

Just like nobody here believes that you and others care about anybody but yourselves

 

yeah, I’ve only been saying this since maybe March. You keep thinking I don’t care about other countries. It’s people like you and the other Covid alarmists who has a huge hand in changing the election results. Thank you. Keeping Kids out of school and shutting down businesses and vaccine passports is not want most people want. I hope you and the other Dems think this has nothing to do with it. Better yet, try forcing the Vax on kids and see where that gets you guys in 22 LOL.

 

And now we are scaring some into injecting their child with these new drugs. For a disease that they are at almost no danger to. We are going to give an 11 year old 1/3 the dose of a 12 year old. Why is 11 year old Johnny whose birthday is tomorrow getting 1/3 the dose of Jimmy who turned 12 today? For a disease that poses less risk than the seasonal flu to them.

To each their own. My kids will not be getting anywhere near this drug. And they will be hanging out with grandparents (2 Natural Immunity no vaccine and 2 vaccinated Moderna) living like it is 2019…

 

People destroying their careers because of a health decision? One in which we know they are better protected than you assuming you have not had Covid?

We clearly view life differently.

Spare the nonsense about deciding sober driving. We don’t even mandate the flu shot. People can navigate this disease safely and responsibly without taking drugs. People would be far better off if they would get in shape and be healthy. Want to reduce the stress on the healthcare system. Focus on the 42% who are obese in this country. Think of how many lives would have been saved. But I get it. New drugs to force your body into action is the healthy way to go. Not taking measures to avoid a disease and actually taking care of yourself. You can be healthy and decide taking these drugs is the right call. You can be unhealthy and decide not taking these drugs is the right call. There is not one right answer when it comes to taking these drugs.

The price of freedom for sure. And we are a lazy country. So booster up. I am about to get a 7-8 mile run in.

 

Actually…health workers are generally required to get annual flu shots.

UF even requires all medical students to get it annually from day 1.

Some places don’t make it a “hard” requirement, they will let you opt out but you have to wear a mask at all times if not vaccinated against influenza. This was the rule BEFORE covid. I’ve heard a couple of people openly wondering if they would bother with the flu shot this year, because they already have to wear a mask on the job 100% of the time anyway due to COVID. These aren’t antivaxxers, and they do have a point because flu has been a non-entity during covid era.

 

Traveling from Europe to America used to take weeks. Now, we do it in hours! Beware the jet!

Looking up information used to require hours in a library. Today, we literally have all the information in the palm of our hands. Those scary phones are evil!

mRNA vaccines are simply advances in technology. The logical leap from the old way of doing things to a new, improved, quicker way of doing things. And it's not like research on mRNA vaccines is new. Nope. It started 30 years ago.

But hey, if you want to shun all new technologies, you could always go Amish.

 

Btw: you never seem to answer the question: how many would have gotten sick or would be dead if it was not for the vaccinated in this country, under the conditions now of an open economy? When you can look at the projections and answer this question, then you can comment on the efficacy of the vaccines. Until then, you are drawing unscientific conclusions from the exceptions: the breakthroughs, which as measured by hospitalization and death are milder in any event. But, hey, COVID Up! Natural immunity plus synthetic antibodies should do the trick!

 

OSHA has been requiring employers to force employees to take the flu shot?

Besides that. The flu shot has decades of data. Granted the thing is a guess every year and you are lucky to get a 40% effective year.

Past Seasons Vaccine Effectiveness Estimates | CDC

I got the flu shot once in college. Outside that I do not remember ever getting one. Another drug that is there for those that want it.

 

There is no way to answer that hypothetical.

The vast majority of people who have gotten Covid did not use synthetic antibodies either. But thankfully they are there. As the vaccinated and unvaccinated have used them and they seem to be the most effective of the new drugs out there for Covid.

And yes. Natural Immunity is better than taking drug and getting on the booster schedule. The data shows this.

 

Yep, the constant comparison to 99.999% of vaccines available and required for some to the covid jab is like comparing apples and tanks.

 

Top 10 states (lowest) in terms of new COVID hospitalizations (based on 7-day average measured against total population):

1. Hawaii
2. Rhode Island
3. Louisiana
4. Mississippi
5. North Carolina
6. Connecticut
7. Massachussetts
8. New Jersey
9. Illinois
10. Maryland
(FLORIDA a close #11 and may pass Maryland this week)

Bottom 10 states (highest) in terms of new COVID hospitalizations (based on 7-day average measured against total population):

1. Montana
2. Wyoming
3. North Dakota
4. South Dakota
5. Alaska
6. Colorado
7. West Virginia
8. New Mexico
9. Arizona
10. Michigan

(hospitalization numbers through 10/31/21)

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

No, I mean as a general practice major health providers require their employees to get a flu shot every year. Though the only “punishment” I’m aware of was having to wear a mask if you didn’t show proof of vaccination. This was already in place long before COVID. Maybe some wouldn’t let you work at all, but I couldn’t speak to that, I just know of the mask requirement. All those requirements existed years ago despite the well known knowledge that the flu vaccine has notoriously been hit or miss. Still, even half protection saves patient lives and that’s why the hospitals require it. To save lives.

Has OSHA ever been involved in employer vaccine requirements at all? Not that I’m aware. But the agency has only been in existence since 1971. There has never been an instance of a pandemic affecting the workforce in the era of OSHA’s existence. It is quite literally unprecedented. I wouldn’t argue OSHA has “absolute authority” to do vaccine mandates. But with COVID being substantially more deathly then flu, the mandates make sense in certain areas, and a number of employers had already put them in place regardless. My main beef with the OSHA mandate is it should be industry/job specific to high risk jobs, with the way it was done it is arbitrary and thus that weakens the legal argument behind it (I suspect it could be found to be “too broad”).

 

I would think they would do it readily, that way they can say see I told you so.

Plus it would be more data to answer the question of how long immunity lasts.

 

How this got a disagree I'll never know. It's a fact.

 

I do know all the vaccine trials are still testing the vaccine subjects for antibodies.
As part of the surveillance they are also tracking breakthrough cases. And thus are following those antibodies as well.

 

Well considering OSHA like the cdc is going to ignore science and natural immunity (well the cdc acknowledges that natural immunity is better but pushes policy that is the antithesis to that acknowledgment)…

You should have real beef with any mandates they are putting forth. It is quite a red flag actually.

 

Kentucky, Alaska, and now Oklahoma all have numbers that show vaccine immunity is better than natural. Can anyone explain the discrepancies between the results? Can anyone using the scientific method, which relies on predictable and repeatable results, truly say the science of natural vs vaccine immunity is settled? No.

If you truly follow the science, you would know that scientists are trying to figure out the conditions that would cause the widely different results. If natural immunity were truly better, then the results of vaccine vs natural immunity would be predicable and repeatable. But it simply is not. Something is causing the variation in results.

 

I would guess poor subject sampling.
That's without delving into the details of each study design.