Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

So you can explain why the latest study and the Cleveland Clinic study, as well as others, don't align with the Israel study when it comes to natural vs. vaccine immunity? If you can, then you know more than the scientists who are actually trying to figure out why the Israel study observations are repeatable!

Again, I link the BMJ piece that presents both sides of the argument with studies that present evidence from both sides. How you can know more than all the researchers who are still figuring out why different studies have different results, but are only sharing your immense knowledge here is disappointing. You shouldn't be wasting you vast intellect on a message board, but should be writing in scientific and medical journals, in the lab, and sharing all you know to the masses. Of course, if all your "evidence" is simply the largest study says so, and despite the fact results aren't repeatable, it's the largest study, and largest study is always the best, you'd be laughed out of the scientific community.

 

Here's more conflicting data out of Alaska. The top doc in that state says the protection from natural infection is inconsistent, and the state is seeing higher re-infection rates than expected. Maybe we should just send 95 to Alaska, he can tell the residents to ignore all local data, and that natural immunity is better. Cased closed!

There is also the Kentucky study done in late Spring that showed residents were 2.3X likely to be re-infected than have a vaccine breakthrough case. But hey, the Kentucky and Alaska studies weren't bigger than the Israel study, so you can just throw out the KY and AK results because....well, just because, they weren't the biggest!

Thankfully, there are real scientists trying to figure out the mysteries of COVID. Does what kind of vaccine a person received a big factor? What about time? Or maybe the issue is severity of the first infection, and those with a mild infection simply don't have as good immunity as those vaccinated? Maybe genetics plays a role, and certain ethnic groups, for some reason, have better natural immunity from COVID than others?

Or, we can just go with the one big study is the only study we'll ever need! And forget all conflicting information!

 

Seen other charts like this one that shows the effectiveness of the vaccine. (click here if image doesn't show for article with chart)


The chart speaks for itself. In every age group the vaccinated had less COVID cases and fewer deaths. Almost zero deaths from the vaccinated for people under 65! Can't say that for the unvaxxed, has COVID is the leading cause of death in the US for people 35-54.

The one area that the vaccine is "struggling," is with mortality rates for those over 80. I say struggling because the death rate for the vaccinated is still significantly lower than unvaccinated. Still, the struggle is likely because this age group doesn't have an immune system that expects to be fighting off a novel virus. So for this age group especially, best to booster up if you have not already done so.

 

What you wrote was that the CDC manufactured data and made up numbers. I asked you to provide evidence of this manufacturing. You haven't, but instead you've turned a criticism of the sample into allegations of impropriety.

 

Just because you don’t like the fact I showed how the cdc manufactured the numbers doesn’t mean they didn’t do it. Done dealing with irrational people that are too ignorant to see the data in front of them.

 

You did nothing of the sort. lol.

Well good, be done. You're full of **** anyway.

 

He sure is. He alternately cites the CDC (when they say something that supports his narrative) and accuses them of manufacturing numbers (when it doesn't support his narrative).

 

Believe it or not an entity can lie about one thing and be honest about something else. Just like you. Sometimes you are believable and sometimes you are full of crap. Actually it’s more like most of the time you are full of crap, but you get the point. Hope that comparison makes sense for you. If not I can draw pictures for you.

 

It's exactly what he did...well that and deflect a whole bunch.

 

The problem with many of the statements getting made are ignoring the fact that not everyone who tested posivitive for COVID seroconverts and generates an antibody response. The only study that I had seen and linked earlier in this thread suggest about 65% of those infected mount long-term, durable protection.

 

That supports doing antibody testing for formerly positive people before they get their shots. Except for those who want shots for the “super immunity” they get.

 

Has anybody seen any modeling of projections based on the expected impact with mandates and without mandates?

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That's most likely because some people have false positives. But regarding the CDC "study", according to their brilliant "research" The unvaxinated cohort statistics are impossible when applied to reality - indicating poor database extractions, or exclusion bias at play. 8.7% of Covid infections do not get reinfected inside 100 days after recovery. That alone is enough to discredit the whole study.

 

Well, then someone should tell the pro golfer who was infected, and symptomatic twice within a months time.

Look, we get it, you do not like the CDC. Fine. That does not make them wrong.

By the way, how do you know how many people get reinfected and how often?

 

You really arguing thinking the reinfection rate is 8.7%. Want it for the record.

 

Are you talking about John Rahm? Who got Covid within the 14 day window after being vaccinated and then had one out of five tests go positive knocking him out of the Olympics and no symptoms. He likely did not have Covid the second time.

I won’t guarantee like Rahm but he is most certainly correct.

Jon Rahm can "guarantee" he didn't have COVID-19 despite positive test that knocked him out of Olympics

 

Should have been formally tracked and published. Still should be moving forward.

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That number assumes EVERYONE gets the virus though.

 

If we are relying on natural immunity conferred by having had the virus, isn't that what it takes? Okay, maybe only 90% of everyone getting the virus, so only 3 million dead Americans?

 

Why are we relying on natural immunity? We have a vaccine for everyone over 18. Children with underlying conditions should maybe get the vaccine but thats it. Those who already have had covid have natural immunity. Stop playing what if when we've had a vaccine for almost a year now.