Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

You would really do yourself some good to understand how vaccines work. I found these articles very helpful in understanding short term and long term immune defenses, and the difference in the nature of covid and diseases like measles.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/waning-immunity-not-crisis-right-now/619965/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/americans-are-losing-sight-endgame/619916/

Shots in arms are much better at preventing disease than preventing infection. After vaccination against any virus, your immune system generates antibodies that can neutralize that virus, but those antibody levels will drop over time. If your antibody levels didn’t drop after every infection or vaccination, your blood would eventually turn into a thick sludge full of antibodies to every pathogen you have ever been exposed to. High neutralizing-antibody levels soon after vaccination are predictive of high vaccine effectiveness. But when those levels inevitably fall, you still have protection against severe disease.

That’s because vaccination also spurs your immune system to make memory cells, which rev up antibody production if you’re later exposed to that virus again. After vaccination, though, your immune system’s memory needs three to five days to kick in. Vaccines are most effective at preventing infection with viruses that have a long incubation period, such as measles and smallpox; the immune system’s memory kicks in before the virus can fully establish itself in your body. But some invaders, such as influenza and the coronavirus, have a shorter incubation period, so vaccines are less likely to entirely block infection.

 

We are doing what we can. You continue to make the argument that the vaccine is the only answer for every single person. Everyone is not the same. Medicine is not the same for everyone. Vaccines are part of what we can do.

The problem is some think they are a requirement for what can be done. And that is just not the case.

 

the CDC conveniently didn’t publish this in a journal for peer review. And we haven’t even gotten to the size comparison yet. Good try.

 

You can try and say these diseases are similar all day long. They are not. From who the diseases attack. To how the diseases attack. To the reality Covid is almost certainly going to be endemic.

Booster up.

 

You have no clue if I took the shot. Unless I accidentally stated it I have not shared whether I have taken the shot. You can take the shot and respect that others do not want to take the shot. It is not really selfish (well kind of is) but more evil is the fact some want to force people to take a drug that a person may not need or want.

 

Well considering the vaccine has not been out for a year and that we have far better therapeutics. We are seeing deaths decline as a whole while the vaccine has been out.

I have never said the vaccines do not provide a small therapeutic benefit. I think they do. And that is a reason many people have taken them.

But right now the ratio is higher for the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. When we get the hard data (Vermont/England/Scotland/Etc)…right now the ratio is more vaccinated are dying than unvaccinated.

Booster up if you want.

 

Appreciate this. Gets to what I have been saying. Maybe we can stop trying to comparing Covid to polio and smallpox. Different diseases. Different vaccines.

Booster up.

 

But if it says what they want to hear, does it really matter if it has been peer-reviewed?

 

Let me see if I have this right. From Jan-Sept at 187 hospitals in the US, there was a grand total of 89 reinfected patients hospitalized? And how many total hospitalized during that period? And how many of the reinfected had a false positive the first time they had Covid? These are things to consider. There is a reason the CDC didn’t put this in a medical journal. Maybe you can figure out why. Hint, it’s propaganda to encourage people to get vaccinated.

 

You really want to compare the Israeli study to this one? LOL. That’s fun. Have at it.

 

Give me a break. You and your family have clearly not “injected these unproven drugs.” Otherwise you wouldn’t be in here daily trying to justify the awful selfishness. You know deep down the easiest and best thing you can do to help your fellow American is to get the damn shot. Spare us your bullshit. Pretty please?

 

Lancet study: Vaccinated as likely as unvaccinated to spread delta variant

A yearlong, peer-reviewed study published in the prestigious British science journal The Lancet found people vaccinated against COVID-19 are as likely to spread the delta variant to contacts in their household as those who have not been vaccinated.

Scientists, including researchers at the Imperial College of London, studied 621 people in the United Kingdom who had mild COVID-19 and found that the peak viral load of the vaccinated was similar to the unvaccinated.
The analysis, published Thursday in The Lancet Infectious Diseases medical journal, covered the period of Sept. 13, 2020, to Sept. 15, 2021.

It found that vaccinated people transmitted a delta variant infection to others at a rate of 25% . For the unvaccinated, the rate was 23%.


However, that finding also bolstered the case many scientists are making – pointing to as many as 92 studies – that natural immunity from infection is superior to vaccine-produced immunity.

 

What journal is the Israeli paper published in?

 

Funny how he’s so protective of his personal medical info but had no problem sharing his parents info here. They’re staying away from that experimental drug btw in case you missed it. I will never understand why it matters. What difference does it make if we know or don’t, especially when you make it so obvious with your rants?

Oh yeah, and booster up!

 

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

 

That isn't a journal. That is a pre-print service. Nobody peer reviews from that service. It tells you that right below the article title:

So I ask again, what journal is it published in?

 

It was posted in a place where it can be peer reviewed. There is the difference. The cdc didn’t publish it anywhere but on their website because it’s basically as useful as a commercial. It’s about as honest as a commercial as well. You know this also. Good try sport.

 

Lol. It is a pre-print service. They have no reviewers. They have no editors. Who would peer review it? And for what purpose? It isn't a journal.

 

Here is the study

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Note it is transmission in the home. Disappointing but not necessarily shocking. The viral load is high enough with Delta that if you are around someone constantly you are going to spread it at home, vax or not.

 

This takes the cake for the most ridiculous lie you have told. Fantastic.