Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Why do you think they don’t understand? What do you call it when there is a set of facts, and a person responds with the opposite of what is factual? Like the dog didn’t really eat your homework, but you tell they to the teacher? Btw: the agenda on the right is to prolong the virus at least until the midterms.

 

Yes. But why shouldn’t a healthy person have the freedom to refuse the vaccine and give up how right to catch the virus, spread it, and then get synthetic antibodies which work so well?

 

What percentage of UK has confirmed COVID cases? It's around 13% of the country, as far as I can find. So more kids under 13 who cannot get vaccinated than COVID cases. The point still stands that the UK hasn't reached herd immunity. Even when you add those with natural immunity.

The issues with natural immunity is it isn't trackable the way vaccines are. We also still don't know how long vaccine or natural immunity lasts, and with more people getting a second case, there are people out there who may think they have natural immunity when they do not. People with vaccine, again, are much more easily tracked.

And unlike you, who has already made up his mind based on only the data you like, the debate between what's better, vaccine or natural immunity, isn't settled. There's debate and studies on both sides.

Maybe in a smaller country, antibody testing to ensure those who recovered are still immune. But in larger countries, think logistics. What's easier? Testing or vaccinating?

 

When one won't count something as obvious as natural immunity, then they show themselves as extremely biased. If you want to know why some won't take you seriously, here is example number 1. You can keep trying to post some garbage examples but I posted the largest study in the world to date. Since you mentioned kids, lets see what the CDC posted as an estimate up until May of 2021. This is before Delta as well. So according to the CDC there was around 36% of children under 18 that previously had covid. So in the 6 months since, I'm sure that number has risen to well over 50% probably closer to 60%.

It's really simple. You are ignoring something so large that it makes everything you say wrong.


Cases, Data, and Surveillance

 

That propaganda you have been fed is working well…

 

The reason vaccinated people use the monoclonals is to keep them out of the hospital. If the vaccines were working as well as we were told…very few seeking monoclonal treatments would be vaccinated. But that is not the case. Many vaccinated are seeking monoclonal treatments. Why…the efficacy of the vaccine is clearly not what we were sold.

Booster up. Monoclonal up.

Both can be good things for some.

One might be good for some.

Neither might be good for some.

 

Yeah. Studies following scientific method are propaganda. That Qanon level garbage. Post links.

 

I have provided links to the hard data when we can get it. It is hard to find unfortunately. It is absolutely fascinating that we still can’t get daily or weekly death reports in the United States based on vaccination status. It was capable to extrapolate it out of Vermont. But those numbers do not fit the narrative.

Notice how the focus is now on vaccinating 5-11 year olds. This disease is of almost no risk to that group. And the last two days is a full out news focus on selling parents to have their young children vaccinated for a disease that is of almost no risk to the kid. Now if your child is obese or has certain immune issues then it may be a high consideration thing after talking with your pediatrician. It might be a high priority if your child is healthy and your risk tolerance/profile dictates you get your child jabbed. That is fine.

But an all out push to get this into a group that has almost no risk from the disease is another of the many red flags with what is going on.

 

More garbage. Even if true, the rate if hospitalization among the vaccinated and unvaccinated remains 11 times lower for the vaccinated. And that presumes that the monoclonal treatments are received at the same level as the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Getting a cold is not the same as getting pneumonia. But, Do us a favor. Post links. Not your made up opinion of the real world. Actual empirical data. Specifically: that it is monoclonal antibodies that are leveling the rate of hospitalization between vaccinated and the unvaccinated. So, for example, what is the rate of hospitalization among the 2 groups where they do not receive monoclonal antibodies before hospitalization? What is the rate after? What percentage of vaccinated versus unvaccinated receive monoclonals to begin with? Otherwise, you are just touting making personal decisions in a world of disinformation and falsehood. The vaccines are working. They are lessening the disease and allowing us to stay open. Those who don’t get them are trying to free ride on those of us who do. And, for them, not reaching a level of herd immunity is screwing up the unvaccinated feee riders. Anyone with an ounce of understanding of Coronaviruses would know that people would not have forever immunity. Coronaviruses they have circulated for centuries cause colds. The trained immune response and mutation have mitigated the severity of these diseases. But people catch colds repeatedly because of the nature of the viruses. This is a new Coronavirus and will go through that mutative mitigation process, but people’s immune systems need to be trained for that. And society needs to be open and robust while we live with an endemic virus. Or maybe if enough people get vaccinated or natural immunity, the virus recedes to bear invisibility. To look at the vaccinated versus unvaccinated case numbers and severity controlled by vaccinated levels and reach your conclusions is, to say the least, unscientific.

 

We agree on some stuff. The problem is you are too focused on these new drugs and having everyone regardless of risk take them.

The evidence certainly says this is headed endemic. Unfortunately I think we will have tougher time than was necessary since we decided to just go all out instead of targeted (the elderly and immune compromised) with more controlled studies to prepare for a second and third generation of these new drugs. I could be wrong.

That said…this disease continues to feast on the elderly and immune compromised (especially obese and diabetics). As it has from the beginning before we had all these drugs. The good news is the disease is not that dangerous to the vast majority and we now have these therapeutics to help fight it.

 

Maybe if CNN/MSNBC/rest of MSM weren't busy trying to rip FL for encouraging the use of Monoclonal antibody treatment some doctors wouldn't be unaware of this life saving treatment.

 

Thankfully DeSantis set up numerous clinics to get that out quickly and efficiently.

 

You know the link you posted has the title Estimated COVID-19 Burden. Do you know what the word estimated means? In contrast, everyone who receives a vaccine in the US is marked with date, time, and vaccine received. Nothing estimated about it!

As for my "garbage samples," anything that doesn't agree with your opinion you list as garbage. That's not how science works. There are and continue to be conflicting studies about the efficacy of natural immunity versus vaccine immunity. The article I linked goes into great detail presenting both sides of the story, and evidence that supports both sides. And when a respected medical journal like the BMJ can write a several page articles that presents both sides, with evidence, I'm going to go with their conclusion that this isn't settled science, versus some schmoe's opinion on a website. The BMJ is peer reviewed, and posted the results from several studies, also peer reviewed, and opinions of several medical professionals with much more education in the field than me. Sorry that there are studies and scientists that don't agree with your opinion. Thankfully, your opinion is exactly that, just an opinion, that carries no weight whatsoever in the real world.

 

Yes for sure. No idea why other states didn't follow suit except that they choose to believe what the MSM tells them.

 

Yes I know what an estimate is. You choosing to not use natural immunity in any discussion regarding herd immunity makes me take zero of what you say seriously. When one is ignoring the data in front of them shows your bias. My opinion on natural immunity is luckily shared by many. Not enough unfortunately as it cost thousands of lives by vaccinating those with natural immunity before getting the vaccine to those who actually need the vaccine. But you go on touting some garbage herd immunity numbers. Some on here will buy it. Not many luckily.

 

In some quarters getting the vaccine is the only solution.....

 

If you know what estimate is, then you also know that we can only estimate things like total COVID cases, especially since many early cases were likely never diagnosed. You should also know that we can only estimate how long any immunity may last, including natural immunity. Last, we have no exact number as to when a community reaches herd immunity, as we can only estimate that number, since no area has proven to have reached it.

What isn't an estimate are vaccination numbers. If you want to be sure of something, you don't use estimates.

And I know you didn't read the BMJ link. It laid out both sides of the natural versus vaccine immunity, with experts and studies from both sides. And when a respected journal like the BMJ can write an article like this, then the question at hand is far from settled science.

 

Yes and we have our Govt making mandates not based on science. IF they considered science, then natural immunity would be considered just as good as having been vaccinated. People don't want to hear that so they stick their heads in the sand. Look at the posts above ignoring natural immunity.

 

No I didn't read the link. When you choose to ignore natural immunity and the number of people who have actually had covid(estimate or not) then don't be surprised when no one take what you say seriously. You aren't trying to have a rational discussion. I've proven that. I posted the largest study in the world about natural immunity. Case closed. But hey, keep thinking "estimates" are way off.

 

again, fwiw, 7 day new case average lowest since july 27, 7 day death average lowest since august 24.