Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

I think that everyone can now admit that for those who were infected and actually seroconverted that they have protection on par with those vaccinated, and in many ways a more robust protection. Unfortunately, only about 65% of those infected seroconvert and generate protective antibodies. Before one can confirm that they are sufficiently tested, they would need to take an antibody test. According to research, the correlation is with the viral load that accumulates in the upper respiratory tract.

Predictors of Nonseroconversion after SARS-CoV-2 Infection

 

No. It doesn't matter in the context of the argument. That they shut down at around the same time doesn't matter if after the shut down Covid positive patients by the thousands were then sent back to nursing homes to infect more patients. How is that not obvious?

This is just plain false. First of all, the nursing home closures to outside people doesn't play any part in anything having to do with Javits or the hospital ship. It DOES come into play when talking about a mandate that forced nursing homes to take in Covid positive patients. That mandate came out March 25. The Javits Center and the hospital ship were operational around 5-6 days later. But the state refused to send those nursing home patients there. In fact, a nursing home requested just that on April 9th and the state denied it's request and continued to force patients back into nursing homes despite repeated requests not to. After continually defending his position and the shit hitting the fan, Cuomo finally caved to pressure from people with common freaking sense and rescinded the mandate 6 weeks later. Meanwhile, Javits and the hospital ship sat empty and virtually unused.

 

Forget Covid. I think you should be more concerned about a heart attack.

 

It matters because you tried to conflate the two policies (visitor versus Covid positive residents). You tried to make the claim that Florida shut down visitors in February (which was false, BTW) and that this was somehow different than what New York did with visitors. The reality is that they both shut down to visitors at the same time. New York had a separate policy for Covid positive residents. Again, the idea of the policy is that they were supposed to be isolated. This didn't happen (and it could be easily argued that it should have been an anticipated problem). But it was a different policy, so stop conflating the two (and especially stop doing so with falsehoods).

Again, you go with the conflation of two different policies. Javits and the Comfort were about overcrowding. So was the nursing home resident policy. The visitor policy in New York was identical to Florida and were implemented at basically the same time.

False. The federal government initially ran both Javits and the Comfort to be non-Covid facilities. It was in early April when the state of New York asked the federal government to change that policy. So, they would have been unable to send covid positive nursing home patients to either location 5-6 days later, as both were officially not accepting covid positive patients of any form.

Again, I am not defending the policy to send them back to nursing homes. It was a policy that led to deaths. There are right and wrong answers and it matters when you get the wrong one (especially in a pandemic), which he did. However, you are trying to conflate different policies into making statements that are frankly not true (and playing fast and loose with the facts while doing so).

 

What do you mean? I what sense?

 

Should all vaccines be optional?

 

Yes!

They should be so compellingly obvious to take that it should be a no-brainer, that is the direction that we should take with every vaccine in a free country.

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You continue to ignore the fact that the great majority of infections were from workers who brought the infection into the homes. And that is still happening today. My Mom's place in Orange Park is still having problems with infectef workers exposing patients. She had to go on a 3 day room lockdown recently after being exposed to a worker who tested positive

 

Covid vaccine is a no brainer and yet people would rather risk dying or being the source of infection that kills others than get the shot. If all vaccines were optional we would still be dealing with a multitude of deadly infectious diseases

 

It depends. As I stated, if a business or the military or a school requires a vaccine then yes. You have the option to either get the vaccine or go to school or work elsewhere. But the government has no right to hunt you down and force you under duress to get a vaccine just because.

 

No, it puts the pressure on the proof and communication factor. Nobody I know got vaccinated because it was mandated. We didn't vaccinate any of our children "because it was mandated."

I'd even be fine with building in insurance surcharges based on actual publishable data related to the covered's risk factors.

Mandates are just lazy, we need to expect better than that from our leadership.

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No I'm not. I even addressed it.

 

We expected, hoped, pleaded, incetivized people to do their part to help protect others and help us reach herd immunity. Turns out hoping isnt a plan and incentives weren't enough. I guess I would be okay with weekly testing at employee cost and insurance premium increase on unvaccinated in lieu of a mandate

 

I'm not going down this path again, but I'll just say that we failed at the communication part. So much potentially useful data has been withheld and that only emboldens the skeptics.

The next battle will be when they try to push the mandates on the children. There will be more resistance when that happens, and rightfully so.

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Why? Why is covid vaccine different than the other vaccines that are required?

 

Probably the most significant aspect is that it doesn't impact everybody. There are risk factors associated with the folks that it hurts the most, and for the most part it is do-it-yourself damage. Whether you agree or disagree, we should have the data that would justify either viewpoint. My commentary is anecdotal based on medical personnel that I have talked with.

Or are you talking about the children?

Mandates are meaningless to me because if my doc says "no" then I can lean on exemptions (I've never had to).

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For starters, the covid vaccines are 'compellingly obvious to take'. They make a very big difference in outcomes. But even when things are compellingly obvious, people still don't do what they are supposed to do. It is compellingly obvious that people shouldn't drive drunk. But people still drive drunk all the time. We have laws to punish drunk driving. Your argument would be there should be no such laws.

 

If it's a failure, it is one of not being able to effectively combat disinformation and misinformation of folks preying on fears and ignorance.

 

Who knew reality would be such a trigger. Shows how well propaganda works…

 

Fortunately for me I am much better at protecting this boyish figure. That said if I am in Gainesville and the light is on at Krispy Kreme...one must sacrifice a little artery clogging. This was a coffee run for the staff (granted not straight black coffee) and gift cards for the office that we have on hand for certain times.